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there's a whole fleet of look on the sa

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hey guys how's it going welcome back to

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the channel um i'm smiling because me

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and dan have just been sat for pretty

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much an hour

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trying to sort out all these technical

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issues so what i will say straight away

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is as we go through the photos

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we will be skipping and

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shaking screens out and sharing stuff to

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play videos as well

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don't ask don't ask uh listen thank you

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so much for being here i'm really

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excited about this one when me and dan

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got back from colombia we said you know

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we need to sit down and do a

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behind-the-scenes

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uh live video so we got here this is the

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uh i'm going to give a quick shout out

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to my new members um

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we've got wilfred dutch uap

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here we go dutch uap disclosure wilfred

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thank you for becoming a member and we

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also have lydia roma now lydia was

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actually part of the team in colombia so

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it's so good to have her here as well

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um

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and i think if i'm right walter is in

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the chat um walter if that's you walter

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payne was also part of the team

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so yeah

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yeah let's get into it shall we i'm

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going to bring in uh

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my guest and

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fellow traveler travel buddy

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mr dan zetastrom how's it going dude hey

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uh great thank you so much um i've been

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excited to do this and and yeah we've

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been gathering all the images together

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and trying to figure out which web

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browsers will give us audio and how we

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can do that and yeah it's been

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it's been a traumatic hour but we got

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it's nice to finally be here and uh be

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able to show some people some uh some

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people show people some

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behind-the-scenes stuff it's uh it's

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exciting

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absolutely man i'm really excited you

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know what though i can already tell that

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going through everything is just going

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to make me want to be right back there

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and experience it all over again because

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it was that incredible so yeah yeah

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i played the uh the trailer just there

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end um and we're like only a week and a

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i can't lie i am really nervous nervous

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about about how i'm gonna come across

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but it's like your debut well i guess

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for both of us um and we're used to

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putting other people up on the camera

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you know to interview them and stuff

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like that and and it was amazing to be a

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part of but yeah it never quite got

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comfortable in front of that lens

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yes crazy it's crazy

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uh should we get straight into it i

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less let's go for it okay so listen i'll

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just caveat this by saying

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this is going to be this is a mixture of

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my images and videos a mixture of dan

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actually no it's just my images

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isn't it

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yeah i took out any videos and stuff

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that i thought the world is not ready to

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see drunk vinnie singing and dancing so

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maybe another time um so yeah we're

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gonna go go through it you know and if

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these are just traveling behind the

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scenes of all sorts of things there's

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stuff you know there's pictures of food

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in colombia so let's just get straight

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to it shall we

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yeah there i am this is me on my way

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to birmingham so on on the day before we

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so there's lots of these traveling

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pictures and stuff so there's me

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if anyone wore a mask i did not

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i think i actually just snuck a moment

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while the bus was empty because it was

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day it was a random day of the week it

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wasn't a peak time so yeah i was i was

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risking it but i would have won a mass

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just after this i'm

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pretty pretty conscientious with that to

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andy's dismay

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so we met up actually do you want to um

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introduce because you spent a little bit

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more time here than i did

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yeah so i i arrived in birmingham quite

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a few hours before dan we met at a local

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pub in birmingham and a few

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followers you know i put put stuff out

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on social media a few followers came

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along and we just hung out

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drank quite a lot

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um and then this was after dan got got

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here which was quite late in the evening

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for a meal so this was just before

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for a few hours sleep barely any sleep

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something stupid like that to go to the

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were closed and we couldn't actually

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check in for a number of hours so we

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were too early but it's better be better

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to be overly prepared uh yeah but yeah

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on the way out that night

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world to to colombia um you know just to

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the airport how much was it it was it

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was quite expensive and it wasn't that

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yeah do you know what taxi companies

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the airport it's a standard rate and

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it's expensive and so on so forth um so

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the flights uh what the taxis cost

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video vinnie

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this is 2 2 3 a.m or something stupid

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but yeah go for it

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um i need you to do the bring the video

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good morning vinnie good morning

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yeah that was a very short one yeah that

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was it really short one so

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back to the these ones

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these are the technical issues we were

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having guys so we're flicking between

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different links so bear with us yeah

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so this was us on the plane

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this was the first flight wasn't it

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yeah how many legs did we do i'm sure i

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just kind of go through these because i

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think there are a few of these pictures

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and videos yeah oh yeah please do yeah

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this was from birmingham to

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frankfurt germany that's right

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see there's quite a few and then they're

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pretty samey it's a plane warning no

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trying to hope that we'd capture

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something an awful lot i will press play

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throughout all stages of the day so we

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were in the air kind of you know seeing

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the stars and stuff like that

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i promise we have more interesting

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things than just the flights but yeah

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we're getting we'll get you know once we

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get to columbia and stuff you know it's

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of context and stuff these are these are

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the character building moments you know

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this is where um yeah vinnie vinnie

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three hours sleep and we were already

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the stress of getting through the first

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bit of the airport flying arriving in

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interview with tim mcmillan um not the

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with the laptop while uh while

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that the prince slept

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while traveling do you know what i don't

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i don't think i did did i

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yeah no no vino i saved

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plenty in colombia though and and now

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so this was quite a cool game again we

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you can see the screen going there you

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you had to just wait uh

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join the game with your mobile phone and

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paper planes as you could it was really

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fun and at one point i think it was on

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the way back when i was playing i i got

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some evil eyes from some strangers

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i was just like calm down calm down

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killed a bit of time didn't it

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yeah it did it was fun

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there's a lovely rainbow over the

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so the planes were actually fairly empty

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um but yeah the plants were empty so it

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allowed us to kind of spread our stuff

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out and put our feet up i was reading

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three body problem

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as we were on our way which is a cool

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it's all good how did you find your

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fight vinny

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you know what it was amazing i enjoyed

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it it helped having and this will sound

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cheesy and that but it helps having

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someone with me like a travel buddy

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especially someone we could talk uab for

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like 12 hours or whatever you know the

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flights were ridiculously long so

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you know

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sleep watch the odd movie talk uap boom

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happy days who doesn't want that in this

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community you know

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yeah for sure

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i'm just gonna cue our next video up

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cool

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here we go it's i mean it's on the

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[Music]

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we arrived

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[Music]

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there you go so we made it that was a

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lot of traveling um

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but

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ashley found us pretty smoothly at the

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airport i remember we didn't have to

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just run around trying to

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figure things out um

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but the strange thing was that only

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certain correct me from wrong but only

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certain letters of car registrations

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could be on the road at specific times

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so

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we had to yeah get off the road for a

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little bit

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uh i guess that's how they manage

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congestion but i i don't think it would

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go down amazingly well in the uk

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yeah so i think

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i had it as

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certain times of the day and night

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certain registrations can't leave bogota

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or something like that they have to stay

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within the city limits and for 45

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minutes or an hour so this photograph

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you see now is actually we had to stop

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off at ash's wife's

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mum's flat in bogota

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like 45 minutes and of course they

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greeted us with a bottle of wine so

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you know what more do you want really

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yeah absolutely

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um

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oh i forgot to play the there is a video

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um i won't play it but basically on the

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landing the the landing was very bumpy

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because you you could cloud layer that

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we're used to seeing kind of above us

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here was the floor there uh so i guess

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the pilot misjudged a little bit and the

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plane bounced back up in the air and

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then re-landed uh that that was

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an interesting experience

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oh where are we going here we go sorry

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there's nothing like that here sir

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there we go

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okay

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see how happy there you go

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like

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yeah

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uh for any future farmer fans out there

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there's uh

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slums mackenzie uh he greeted us kind of

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on the on the drive to the location

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and

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oh there you go there's the

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yeah so sorry i skipped ahead there

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can i can i actually get there

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it's just a long video

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if it's a gray as you come in from them

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clouds i don't i think the bounce is

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pretty good in the video you can kind of

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see here that what i was talking about

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like that cloud layer there and then

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that's just the ground

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suddenly ground because it comes

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straight in over the mountains

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yeah yeah absolutely

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so yeah i'm just gonna forward

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i'm just gonna keep my eye on the chat

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logan asks when the new james fox

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movie's coming out it's gotta be soon i

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think he just wrapped doing the audio

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for it

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literally yesterday

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it happened already it was it was quite

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the bump uh but i guess the camera did

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so this was we pretty much

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arrived at this point and we were at the

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before anyone says these things here

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these are not uap they are lens flares

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from

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these lights here um protip just

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kind of making you lay with the same

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photo make it half transparent and just

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flip the image and it'll line up um

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but yeah this this was the view

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from

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base uh just

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i think maybe an hour or two after we'd

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gotten there

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and a few of us had crashed and i was

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still up kind of watching the mountain

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you can see some uh lights off in the

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distance here

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and obviously we weren't familiar with

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the area yet so there was some flashing

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here that interested us that we didn't

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really know what it was um

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and yet that that's kind of

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that was the that was the travel right

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yeah and i think like as soon as we hit

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we're here in this garden we were our

401
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eyes were on those mountains looking for

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these lights and i feel like maybe we

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should explain a little bit about the

404
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light phenomenon what do you reckon

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yeah go for it um

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do you know what i think somebody else

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there he is

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[Laughter]

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how are we boys

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hold on a second how are you

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it was so hard earlier on dancing that

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i've not got time

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like something better organized

414
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well that's totally fair

415
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i would propose that we talked before so

416
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this is much better to make the sense

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yeah sorry dan i had this lined up so i

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i just wanted to surprise them so

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everyone

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this is ashley i'm sure you know who he

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is he is the the brains behind the

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expedition but actually before we get

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into the actual images when we're at in

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colombia would you mind just giving us a

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brief description of the phenomena that

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in 4 1608

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the mountain range was baptized by the

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bishop of tabio

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as the hell of dancing lights el cerro

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de los luces

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and the

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phenomenon has been called el encanto

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the charm the enchantment it's been

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called the mohan the mohanis over 400

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years

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so

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the phenomenon let's leave it at that we

438
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can get all into that but

439
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it's um 400 years it's been recorded in

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various different forms generally blue

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green and red lights that come together

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and form one large

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lighter oblong shaped golden ball that's

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sorry

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vinnie i was not made there

446
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he is i think you just run into that i

447
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just had to open a window it's all good

448
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getting a bit warm yeah

449
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:10,799
so vinnie has like a full production

450
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studio there actually you should see it

451
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:13,600
it's it's

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he says this is attic room like it's not

453
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:18,480
plush and fancy but uh i i was impressed

454
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it's like uh you know mission control

455
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,360
you're saying that eric went on there he

456
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just did the quickest nappy change

457
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imaginable

458
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tech issue yeah you're right

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00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:32,720
anyway so thank you for that ash

460
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appreciate it um so yeah obviously

461
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knowing you know this had been building

462
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up for weeks and weeks and weeks

463
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we'd had so many meetings leading up to

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it like the three of us on

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stream yard private stream yards just

466
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talking about everything so

467
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you know as soon as we were there our

468
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,720
eyes were everywhere like

469
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so yeah

470
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,960
yeah absolutely um do you find ash

471
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:58,880
living pretty much over there that

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wherever you are kind of at nighttime

473
00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,240
you're just glancing towards that

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00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,039
mountain every now and then

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you guys got to see it but myself and my

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wife we built a house a wooden house on

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stilts which faces that mountain so

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every night for me it's you put on the

479
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layers it gets really cold in the andes

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and you

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sit there tripod out at the ready

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waiting for

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some kind of light to appear in the

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darkness you can always see the

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silhouette of the mountain so

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i dare say it's not just me but for at

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least 400 years and a lot longer

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i think everybody in the valley has been

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gazing at the top of this mountain it's

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like a cultural fulcrum a central

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point of focus that binds the

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communities out there because you can

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imagine

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600 years ago

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if you're teaching about the clouds the

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rain

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and the climate change

498
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the elders would be pointing at this

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mountain talking these things through

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legends

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and it really is a sort of cultural

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point as you know it represents the

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female goddess chia so

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the mountain is similar to what it would

505
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be like living in cairo with the pyramid

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on the skyline every day that's what i

507
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think it's like

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i'm just going to stop there right here

509
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jay allen raises a good point here he

510
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says i have to warn folks if this theory

511
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goes down the drone route again i'm

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going to lose my mind what's left of it

513
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well you know that's a really

514
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interesting point

515
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as long as green street doesn't get hold

516
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yes

517
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i mean ash you've seen drones in this

518
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area you know you've seen military

519
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drones in this area this light phenomena

520
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is not drones i mean

521
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that's what i'll say right

522
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we don't even guys even

523
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cover that suggestion in the in the

524
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documentaries you know and here's why

525
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:46,880
like three nights before you arrived i

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filmed and published the fixed v the

527
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fixed-wing drone yeah it was quite

528
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,559
clearly a military reconnaissance drone

529
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,559
that i believe would be launched from

530
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one the private airport at the south of

531
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the valley

532
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but um the phenomenon we're filming are

533
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:04,080
flashing lights

534
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:05,360
you know

535
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,919
quite fast moving lights we're we're not

536
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,120
filming

537
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:11,520
classic drones sailing through the sky

538
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:14,080
or venus or roads there's no roads up

539
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:16,000
there so drones isn't also in the packet

540
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that we can

541
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,440
disregard there's no visual evidence to

542
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:21,039
suggest their drones and the people in

543
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,240
our team

544
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:24,320
know what drones look like so

545
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:25,600
it would be a

546
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as far from the truth to say they're

547
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drones as to say they're ufos there's no

548
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,320
you know what i mean there's nothing

549
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,799
firm to say drone there at all

550
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,880
yeah absolutely and quickly before we

551
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:38,960
move on mr strafe wilson hello strafe

552
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,840
good to see you update still editing on

553
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,840
course for the first of may

554
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,080
that's a just a horrendous feeling so

555
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,159
here i am i've just had 10 days of my

556
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,480
mom and dads and keith ness

557
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,480
you know we did we filmed together two

558
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,960
weeks ago we did we were in scotland

559
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,480
yeah two weeks ago filming a different

560
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documentary and ash is still in scotland

561
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,200
now he's not back in colombia yet but

562
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,679
what can you tell us about may the first

563
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,400
are we ready may the first is a mile

564
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:08,880
away from me i've got

565
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,600
12 or 14 hours of editing to do when i

566
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,600
get home up to me the first because of

567
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:14,880
course i'm still

568
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,679
mastering see episode four five and six

569
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,280
and they're all gonna roll out once a

570
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,200
week from may the first

571
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,520
so the last episode won't be in

572
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,080
completion before the first one goes out

573
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:27,840
which usually you'd like to see the

574
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:30,559
whole thing in a box packed and ribboned

575
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,840
but i'm not it's going to be a bit of

576
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,679
chaos when i get home because

577
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,679
we you know we filmed

578
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,200
so

579
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,840
nine days we filmed for and we filmed

580
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,039
over

581
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,159
500 hours of footage

582
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,799
i've got a review i've reviewed most but

583
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,440
for the final episodes

584
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,840
there's quite a complexity comes into it

585
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,200
as you know so

586
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:55,200
the tr the story that's going to come

587
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,000
through

588
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:57,919
is going to take a real real real

589
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,640
intense edit so i'm not celebrating the

590
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,400
may the first today you can all see it

591
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,760
and it's going to look seamless but i'm

592
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:06,480
going to be like a a ragged burnt out

593
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,760
not by about may the 2nd

594
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,799
yeah

595
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:12,240
i just brought up this comment here so

596
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,520
it doesn't matter what you say they're

597
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,840
going to claim it's drones anyway i mean

598
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,760
doesn't mean this didn't work right i

599
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,440
would say yeah

600
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,440
i mean but you know what it's like

601
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,200
these two images on the screen i don't

602
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,520
think dan suggested those were

603
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,919
no i think i just mean in general like

604
00:24:31,510 --> 00:24:29,600
you know being in the community you're

605
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:31,520
gonna get the naysayers we're we're

606
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,360
fully prepared for for the naysayers

607
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,520
coming up here you can kind of see

608
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,760
i'll just go through we were talking

609
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,279
about the the kind of lights on the

610
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,200
mountain and if you just watch the the

611
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,600
left-hand side of the screen there now

612
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:47,760
imagine that you know you you don't know

613
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,880
where you are

614
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,159
um

615
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,919
and you don't know the geography of the

616
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,520
area and then just watch the screen and

617
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,360
look at all those

618
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:57,360
what you could describe as somewhat

619
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,720
dancing lights on the hillside

620
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:01,919
and

621
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:04,880
i mean they're not ultimately um but it

622
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,919
was interesting figuring that out um

623
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:09,120
you know from the first night to the

624
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,720
first morning realizing oh hey you know

625
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,320
there might be a road on that side or

626
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:15,120
something like that and you kind of

627
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,559
you you figure out the prosaic

628
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,080
explanations but

629
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,000
that it just means that it's important

630
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,600
to pay attention and do the actual work

631
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,120
instead of just you know running off in

632
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,440
one direction for example absolutely we

633
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,200
were stood in locations like we see on

634
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,760
the screen and we we had laptops phones

635
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,400
we were checking geographical locations

636
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,320
roads things like that all the time

637
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,000
throughout the two weeks we were there

638
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,559
we were checking magnetic anomalies in

639
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:40,720
the area like we were doing so much to

640
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,760
check

641
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,159
the area i should say that you guys when

642
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,679
you were there i told you this and i

643
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:47,039
keep saying it is

644
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,880
i expected you to be the the pro ufo

645
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,480
everything that flashed is going to be

646
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,039
intergalactic and it was the reverse

647
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,279
you know and we're not going to divulge

648
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,000
the nature of it but see episode 2

649
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:02,320
brings what i would call

650
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,679
one of the best bit of

651
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,640
rationalization pieces of work that's

652
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,080
been done yet where you start with

653
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,159
something and take it to a total

654
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:11,919
conclusion you know what i'm talking

655
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,799
about

656
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,799
oh yeah so we're not going to be running

657
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,039
about saying ufo

658
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,279
us organ into lake is not about that

659
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,679
this is phenomenology so our film is

660
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,720
about

661
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,400
how people perceive

662
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,640
phenomenon what they think they see and

663
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:28,400
how the mind

664
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,799
gets involved and we've got you like a

665
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,000
team to do that with different

666
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:34,400
perceptions on the same things but

667
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,120
we're not selling drones as ufos we're

668
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,799
way beyond that

669
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,559
the thing is we're not selling ufos

670
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,159
we're we're selling we're not selling

671
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,919
anything because we put everything out

672
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,000
we have no paywall but what we're

673
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,679
showing is a light phenomena that you

674
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,919
might consider something similar along

675
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:52,080
the lines of the mystery of hestalin in

676
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:53,279
norway

677
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,880
and things like that it's something that

678
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,039
definitely warrants a lot more analysis

679
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,440
this was an investigation to me

680
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,080
personally where we go out and identify

681
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,559
something and then after we've done that

682
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,480
we then decide how we can proceed

683
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,799
further down the line

684
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,240
absolutely and

685
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,240
being and knowing what we know and what

686
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,400
the public are about to watch and see is

687
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:15,760
that

688
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:18,320
if if anybody said what did you discover

689
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,360
on the

690
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,200
whole filming project the answer would

691
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:23,039
be closer aligned with

692
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,320
perhaps a breakthrough in photonics and

693
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,799
wi-fi technologies more so than perhaps

694
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,120
a breakthrough in alien hunting do you

695
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,200
know what i mean yeah yeah

696
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,520
something anomalous that's for sure

697
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,279
oh the anomaly side of it's the

698
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,960
wonderful side because one thing i'm not

699
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,320
gonna we're not doing here is we're not

700
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,760
trying to say there's nothing mysterious

701
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:42,720
because

702
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,440
it's bizarre in many parts let's put on

703
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,279
there you know let's not make the thing

704
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,640
too dry

705
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,880
yeah um

706
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,640
yeah absolutely

707
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,960
so a couple of questions

708
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,080
yeah yeah

709
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,919
i'm looking at the house we all stayed

710
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,760
in you've got to let me shut up and tell

711
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,960
the audience what they're looking at

712
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,480
here guys we stayed in this oh yeah

713
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:04,799
because there's there's also

714
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,919
a little a little thing in the

715
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,120
background there that might be worth

716
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,960
speaking about as well oh i already just

717
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:11,279
noticed that

718
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,399
what you seen

719
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:13,919
just on the hill above that

720
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,520
you can't see my finger oh look at that

721
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,360
yeah that features heavily in the first

722
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,200
episode

723
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:23,120
i should say this this is cool let's

724
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,480
let's do this for the audience because

725
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,919
i'm worried about it

726
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,799
um

727
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,720
i'm quite conscious that the first 20

728
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,360
minutes of episode one is we're indoors

729
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,559
and we are talking machine gun fire

730
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,480
all these things are coming up and out

731
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:38,080
and we don't really get out to the end

732
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:39,760
of the first episode but i figured we've

733
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,320
got seven or eight episodes let's not be

734
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,640
in a hurry here let's really

735
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,559
lay out what the phenomenon is a

736
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,320
question just great question and answers

737
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,799
to myself and my wife and the team and

738
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,720
then we get out there and we're pretty

739
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:54,559
much not endorse them for the rest of

740
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,470
yeah yeah pretty much

741
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,070
i just wanted to highlight this because

742
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,679
this was the moment for me where i was

743
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,399
just like wow this uh

744
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,159
this kind of

745
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,640
experience um and respect for the

746
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,320
phenomena um

747
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,799
permeates this place uh you know as soon

748
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:18,000
as you got to a house i was trying to

749
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:19,279
find light switches and i just found

750
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,559
this um and it's just a tile

751
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,640
commemorating the

752
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:26,880
marine apparitions uh the fatima

753
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,679
sighting um that many of us see as a uap

754
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:32,080
event now um but yeah i thought it was

755
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,520
quite cool that there's that crossover

756
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:35,840
and obviously it's not on the wall as a

757
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,240
ufo event there but

758
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:40,960
you know it's kind of

759
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,000
there's a crossover and and i think that

760
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,240
was a really great example of it

761
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:48,000
can we explore this a little bit further

762
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,679
than then so for me filming

763
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,000
this thing remember phenomenology right

764
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:56,559
so this is what i take from this is

765
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:57,480
for

766
00:30:03,110 --> 00:29:59,840
120 years people have gone back and

767
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,120
forth to this site to this church and

768
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,120
i'm a great believer look young said it

769
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,840
not me that the wider one's knowledge

770
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,360
bases and experience the more

771
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,919
synchronicity speeds up because you see

772
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,399
more connections within remote things

773
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,320
apparently remote things

774
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,320
to you guys bringing you there you're

775
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,440
seeing the

776
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,039
fatima connection

777
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,360
with the uep sighting and i think that's

778
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,039
wonderful that's what the whole

779
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,600
project's about is bringing together

780
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,760
all of the parts of the phenomenon

781
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,760
that's 400 years old and presenting them

782
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,760
as that what you've just done here's a

783
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,919
phenomenon here's the thing in europe it

784
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,159
relates to uap and here we are in the

785
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,480
valley of the uap is you called it the

786
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,360
the uap theme park yeah that's where it

787
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,600
felt like you know there's a kind of a

788
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:47,600
controlled experience in

789
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,559
uh

790
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,919
galaxy's edge i think it's called the

791
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,080
the styles experience the star wars park

792
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,000
in in disney uh

793
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,000
and you can kind of you get in a shuttle

794
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,799
and you go on a hotel uh to a hotel and

795
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,240
when you get out all of the staff you

796
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,080
encounter are

797
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,919
actors and you can speak to different

798
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:05,279
characters and go on different quests

799
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,320
and they kind of take you in different

800
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,399
directions um and it felt a little bit

801
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,320
like that but it wasn't that it was a

802
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,480
real place everyone had a ufo story or a

803
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,120
ufo experience or an experience that we

804
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,960
would see in that way you know and kind

805
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,480
of think oh wow you know

806
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,480
this really is a phenomenon that's been

807
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,159
here for ages and goes by many many

808
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,399
different names depending on who who is

809
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,919
viewing it and their backgrounds and

810
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,120
their beliefs

811
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,200
yeah totally down

812
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,799
and we were forever shocked weren't we

813
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:32,880
because every time we tried to say

814
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,600
to to all the witnesses and eyewitnesses

815
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:37,360
who interviewed your questions were

816
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,559
always

817
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,480
describe the phenomenon you saw and they

818
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,919
kind of scratched the face and got what

819
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,640
you mean the ufos

820
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,120
you can't get back from this aspect

821
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:49,360
let's be honest the the entirety of the

822
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,039
valley refer to them as ufos uep hasn't

823
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,279
really permeated the colombian language

824
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:57,120
the culture there but

825
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,240
you know

826
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,240
that the assumption is and has been for

827
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,799
60 years that it's ufo and that's what

828
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,240
was good for us because we could just

829
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:06,960
peel that word away and go right has

830
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,679
stalin brown mountain lights and come do

831
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:11,519
a bit of comparative

832
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,320
work there you know

833
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:16,159
yeah yeah absolutely i just wanted to

834
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,360
highlight this one as well because we're

835
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:19,760
talking about the church

836
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,399
and this is a really great example of

837
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:24,480
hang on i look like warzone gummitch

838
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:28,240
look at the shape of it

839
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,389
you look beautiful

840
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,440
so vinnie i got got these hats um you

841
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:36,720
saw us in the pic

842
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,440
now for this but we we also because you

843
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:41,039
you know we do a bit of fundraising come

844
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,480
christmas so

845
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,320
we also picked one up that will be a

846
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,919
charity item we're going to sign it but

847
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:47,919
then we think it's actually people can't

848
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,399
wear it um but yeah there's a there's a

849
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,760
hat that we picked up while we were in

850
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,440
colombia so

851
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,279
it was you know from behind the scenes

852
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,679
of phenomenology type thing that comes

853
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,039
all the way from across the world so you

854
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,799
can look like vinnie and i there and

855
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,399
learn that you don't wear caps you wear

856
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,760
these round hats because otherwise your

857
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,679
ears get burned i wore this a lot and i

858
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,360
had burned ears

859
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,080
phenomenology 2022 starring vinnie

860
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,909
no no it's danis kabar and dg disclosure

861
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,600
but that's another

862
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,440
hey here's a really good point here did

863
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,279
you put white stuff in the brown stuff

864
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,360
milky colombian coffee

865
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:24,480
no

866
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:27,279
strong and black every morning and all

867
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,080
day

868
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,760
see that white stuff in the brown stuff

869
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,159
is that a reference to sugar to cocaine

870
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,880
oh wow it is colombia after all yeah

871
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,679
yeah

872
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,799
you boys you boys will agree if you're

873
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,880
if you've watched netflix and that's

874
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,640
your perception of colombia you come to

875
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,640
colombia all you need to see is a few

876
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,519
photographs of shut up villages and you

877
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:49,200
don't put much white stuff near your

878
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,230
guys is this the year so on our first

879
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,080
day go back there on our first day we

880
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,240
were walking up a hill acclimatizing

881
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,080
getting her lungs used yes it is by the

882
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,320
way yeah dad why don't you tell the

883
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,039
story what happened there i remember a

884
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,879
gentleman came to to the gate

885
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,480
unfortunately i don't have anything but

886
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,879
i we we filmed a little lab yeah we went

887
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,119
to the gate to tell us the story and

888
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,919
basically on the wall here um there were

889
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,320
a few stories about abductions and i i

890
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,399
think that if i remember correctly the

891
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,159
person was abducted and came back with a

892
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:26,800
message for george bush

893
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:27,520
and

894
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,440
that's kind of as far as the story went

895
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,119
but still you know they they had an

896
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,200
experience where they did that um and he

897
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,040
came out and he spoke to us and he was a

898
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,599
really well dressed gentleman and was it

899
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,919
was an absolute delight to speak to um

900
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:43,200
and he spent a bit of time with us and

901
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,639
we saw him around town a few times

902
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,399
actually over the course of uh over the

903
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,399
course of the two weeks

904
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,679
and you're just going to jump in here

905
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,359
and just say a lot of people are asking

906
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,679
questions in the chat and just to keep

907
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:55,599
the just to keep the photographs flowing

908
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,800
because we've got over 300 i um

909
00:35:02,550 --> 00:35:00,800
i've flagged all the questions so we can

910
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,560
get to them at the end unless it's

911
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,560
relevant to a certain photograph so your

912
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:05,599
name

913
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,560
sean

914
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,400
um strafe you asked something earlier as

915
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,079
well i've saved all your questions i

916
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,320
will be asking them or answering them

917
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,280
sorry do you know dan there's a if the

918
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,119
next time you see a church let's set

919
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,359
this up too since the phenomenon was

920
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,240
first reported in 1608 it's had really

921
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:24,320
big christian over movies

922
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,520
where

923
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,760
the sites that were dedicated to chia

924
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,440
the moon goddess of the indigenous

925
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,440
culture have all become at marianne

926
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,079
churches dedicated to mary so

927
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:36,560
mary has been the moon goddess who was

928
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,440
associated with lights for 400 years so

929
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,200
one of our research methods out there is

930
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,720
if you want to find

931
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,560
indigenous sites

932
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:47,280
you plot the church spires and it's

933
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,480
beautiful there because you see in the

934
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,480
valley all these beautiful church spires

935
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,720
all kind of aligned to wycat and it's

936
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,400
because they overlay the ancient sites

937
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:57,200
as we visited and know

938
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,400
dan do you want to play any of those

939
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:01,119
videos that we skipped or are you cool

940
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,760
uh i mean i i feel like we're going on a

941
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,760
good clip if if there's anything it's

942
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,920
basically the the daily updates but we

943
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:10,079
can i'll save those videos for when

944
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,680
we're going up wyka i think um because a

945
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:16,240
lot of them are just oh yeah

946
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,270
ryan says hi all so stoked for

947
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,359
phenomenology and i'm so honored to know

948
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,680
vinnie downing ashley

949
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:27,440
staring the phenomena in the face and

950
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,880
aren't afraid to embrace it's their

951
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,960
impact staying hydrated while it's doing

952
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,240
so

953
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,680
you should see it thank you thank you

954
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,720
ryan

955
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,000
okay

956
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,240
start a coronavirus that i

957
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,560
got into your world really thought i'm

958
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,400
going to start listening to this crack

959
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,640
about uap and ryan was one of the first

960
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,560
podcasts i found right because he was

961
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,160
one of the bigger ones and i always used

962
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,640
to make sure i had the disclosure team

963
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,359
that ufo podcast and then ryan's one and

964
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,280
then i found myself in this cycle of

965
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,800
everything else i listened to kind of

966
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,880
compared to those three

967
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:01,040
and you discover quite quick that there

968
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,069
i don't know you want to see my watch

969
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,680
later list i'd say there's a million

970
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,440
other podcasts that i try to keep up

971
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:12,640
with

972
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,240
get actual interesting content look at

973
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:18,000
this there's your cave of the marion

974
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:19,280
apparition

975
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:20,240
yeah

976
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:24,240
um and i loved hearing about that

977
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:26,079
history as we were in these places you

978
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,520
know it's one thing to kind of see them

979
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,520
but it's another thing to really

980
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:31,839
feel what the place is like you know

981
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,790
even though it was full of dogs barking

982
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:38,160
there was a real kind of peace there you

983
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:39,119
know

984
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,720
yeah those dogs what was that all about

985
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:45,990
this also is not the phenomena

986
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:48,560
this is this is the quality of uap

987
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,510
this shouldn't actually be in there this

988
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:00,960
was a a

989
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,200
fail on a time

990
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:05,040
just went to lapse media and a few

991
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,480
people thought i was insinuating that

992
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,200
the cloud here was maybe a uap i was not

993
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,280
it's just a cool looking cloud that's

994
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,160
quite clearly a drone right

995
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,839
and one thing i will say

996
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,440
once one thing i'll say to people you

997
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,280
keep seeing um shots like this of that

998
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,359
mountain that peak that you can see in

999
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:23,760
the middle there that is the peak that

1000
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,480
is wiki where the light phenomena has

1001
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,280
been reported for you know 400 years

1002
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,680
just so people know how how long so i'm

1003
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,280
just going to wiggle my mouse here to

1004
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,440
get from about here

1005
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,200
and we had to kind of come down the side

1006
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,200
and maybe down here how long how long

1007
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,359
did it take for us to ascend

1008
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,750
ascend it was three three hours

1009
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,920
do you think so not longer

1010
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,440
no it wasn't longer we

1011
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,680
we actually got it fairly quick i think

1012
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,599
in the comparison to

1013
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:58,079
what we expected that day uh i think

1014
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,520
there's something we should talk just

1015
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:01,839
when you're wiggling the the the point

1016
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,359
on the peak of that mountain that that

1017
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,280
part that peak is still today is known

1018
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,760
as la puerta de los theosis the doorway

1019
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,320
of the gods because the phenomenon of

1020
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,400
has been reported there at that peak for

1021
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,960
so long so you know the doorway of the

1022
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,640
gods is where the gods are said to have

1023
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,800
come from a place that time forgot into

1024
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,000
this world

1025
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:21,760
through that mountain where the lights

1026
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,390
yeah that was right here and this was

1027
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:27,920
that was the mirror door which you'll

1028
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,720
see again from we went up there it was

1029
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,839
good to have a

1030
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,359
decent idea of

1031
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,359
how long that took and how much effort

1032
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,880
it took because

1033
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:38,640
equipment up there would just be a

1034
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:41,119
nightmare like the big like i can

1035
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,560
imagine trying to get the big film

1036
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,880
lights up there with us to

1037
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:46,960
you know make the displays of light that

1038
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:49,440
have been reported and and it would just

1039
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,880
be a nightmare i i don't think that's

1040
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,720
a hilly drop you know

1041
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,480
yeah stay on that photo a second dan

1042
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:58,880
cause one thing i will just state is

1043
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,880
that massive flat

1044
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,520
stone rock face that you see pretty much

1045
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:05,359
all of that picture there is no access

1046
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,400
that is

1047
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,319
no one can get on that face it's too

1048
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,560
vertical there are no paths and that is

1049
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:13,440
where the light phenomena appears is in

1050
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,920
a place and a location on that mountain

1051
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,720
where it's physically impossible unless

1052
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,960
you've got you know all your ropes and

1053
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,720
climbing gear and you'd still need

1054
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,200
ridiculous lighting and stuff it's it's

1055
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,359
virtually impossible

1056
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,359
to get anywhere other than the peak

1057
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,359
coming from the side and it's been

1058
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:33,200
closed for 18 months by the police

1059
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,800
legally the whole thing's closed right

1060
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:39,040
i didn't tell you i didn't tell you guys

1061
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,319
before you came but there was like

1062
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,160
robberies of tourists a week before you

1063
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,640
came so dude we knew what was going on

1064
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,440
another crack yeah

1065
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:49,520
yeah they closed the van

1066
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,589
yeah

1067
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,280
that can you imagine the underlying

1068
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:57,280
anxiety i was going through not only

1069
00:41:01,270 --> 00:40:58,960
could i make it to the top

1070
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,280
i'm a bit older than you but it was are

1071
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,720
we going to get back down without

1072
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:04,560
getting them to come off so that's why

1073
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,440
we had

1074
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,280
julio and the three amigos right they

1075
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,800
were ahead of us and behind us they were

1076
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,520
locals they're guides so we that felt

1077
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:13,680
that felt good having them there for me

1078
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,560
yeah

1079
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:16,000
oh totally

1080
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,640
i love this shirt look at that painting

1081
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:21,040
i know it's beautiful and and again

1082
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:24,400
you've got you know the the uap the ufo

1083
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,200
the

1084
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,440
light from heaven you know whatever you

1085
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,079
want to call it it's present again in

1086
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,839
this beautiful landscape picture in in a

1087
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:33,359
way that's really subtle that you don't

1088
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,119
usually see you know uapr like that

1089
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,880
there's lots of archetypes in that

1090
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,119
picture they are that rainbows the gods

1091
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:42,800
are said to travel on the rainbow from

1092
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,560
waikiki to mojoy across the valley

1093
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,040
as colors so the rainbow in this instant

1094
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:51,119
represents the phenomenon between the

1095
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,319
two mountains

1096
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,800
ah very interesting that's right

1097
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,440
we should say our film greatly focuses

1098
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,760
on this one because it was all

1099
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,599
everything was pointing towards this

1100
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,599
we're at the base of this one but it

1101
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,520
does have a partner you know this is the

1102
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,280
female mountain look at it shaped like a

1103
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,160
breast but the male mentioned that that

1104
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:12,560
features two

1105
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,040
look at this she photographed everything

1106
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,720
this is a really beautiful place we we

1107
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:20,160
had lunch here

1108
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,960
and

1109
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:22,640
it was just

1110
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,599
you know there was uh a little book shop

1111
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,640
here

1112
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,560
that was in the front of the

1113
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:31,200
the restaurant um and who was it run by

1114
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,670
it's the name of the place is miris

1115
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:38,880
there you go

1116
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,280
and it's natty dos our

1117
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,880
fixer producers

1118
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,560
sister that owns it

1119
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,800
this is nancy das it's maddie dost there

1120
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:48,079
she is

1121
00:42:51,740 --> 00:42:49,760
i have to say

1122
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:51,750
the food was phenomenal

1123
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,760
[Laughter]

1124
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,440
you just filmed a team there that's

1125
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:59,040
better than anything i filmed it was

1126
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,240
like

1127
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,839
you floated in and now you're at the

1128
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,440
table and i'm in it

1129
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,800
well this is this is the cool thing

1130
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:06,640
about

1131
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,839
um you know iphones things like that you

1132
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,440
can just get them

1133
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,960
they're just more versatile than cameras

1134
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,880
used to be um you know we all kind of

1135
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,480
have one and

1136
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,800
yeah the stabilizer is so so good now

1137
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,400
that you can actually use it for cut

1138
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,400
away then the final documentary it's

1139
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:26,079
good enough for you to drop us in with

1140
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,440
an iphone if you didn't get it on

1141
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:29,760
anything else they're really good

1142
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,240
only now with the 13 really the 12 and

1143
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:34,480
the 13.

1144
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,760
sorry if there's a little noise in the

1145
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:37,839
background from me there's this my

1146
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,800
nipper is fixing a motorbike oh it's a

1147
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,200
minor bird

1148
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:45,040
did you see you've got a miner bird no

1149
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,079
no no

1150
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,400
fixing neighbors fixing a motorbike and

1151
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:50,000
oh a motorbike i think he said a minor

1152
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,359
bird i thought get it on screen i want

1153
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,599
to meet this guy

1154
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,440
right back to the slides we're not onto

1155
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,960
binder parts

1156
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,319
so these were just some things around

1157
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,480
the restaurant that we were

1158
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,880
looking at um this was i mean you can

1159
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,480
see it here i was looking for a notebook

1160
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,920
the whole time and i couldn't find one

1161
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,520
um and then i found this one which was

1162
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,280
lovely um and

1163
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,119
purchasing it helped me you know support

1164
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:13,440
a local business and it was really nice

1165
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,960
to you know

1166
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:16,560
spend money in the community and give

1167
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,839
back uh because it was lovely to us

1168
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,760
it was also cool because you whipped out

1169
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,359
at the end of every scene so i got kind

1170
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,200
of an over the shoulder down updating

1171
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,880
the picture on the front of the diary or

1172
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:28,880
someone else doing it i think everybody

1173
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,520
yeah

1174
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,000
i'll show you here so everyone basically

1175
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,599
i got everyone to sign this and i say

1176
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,880
everyone there were a few people missing

1177
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,480
it was just the the

1178
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,800
the participants um

1179
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,800
who yeah i guess weren't making the film

1180
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,640
but you you you and natalie have to sign

1181
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,240
ash

1182
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,079
i was actually heartbroken i watched

1183
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:47,599
everyone else and i was like when's dan

1184
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,910
it was just yeah the it was around it

1185
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,240
yes but you can you can see it there

1186
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:57,920
everyone signed it it was cool

1187
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,150
there you go

1188
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,829
so again wonderful food

1189
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:10,309
so this this is the interview

1190
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,829
don't say we could we we

1191
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:18,000
i'll just say this to everyone watching

1192
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,200
is we

1193
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,920
have purposely taken out a lot of clips

1194
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,920
and stuff from the actual investigations

1195
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:25,280
that we were doing because we just

1196
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,720
wanted to show behind the scenes and not

1197
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,560
spoil anything for when the series comes

1198
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:30,640
out so yeah ashley if you want to talk

1199
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,760
about this a little bit you can but i

1200
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,680
didn't want to spoil anything yeah i

1201
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:38,079
don't because the thing is it's

1202
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,599
yeah i'm delighted what you're showing

1203
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,040
you because you're not actually showing

1204
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,800
anything that we're using in the film so

1205
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,040
thanks a lot

1206
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,480
no problem we did we did go through it

1207
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,319
with the fine tooth comb yeah so for

1208
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:50,000
everyone watching as well this does just

1209
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,680
look like a two-week holiday that we're

1210
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,680
showing tonight because we have taken

1211
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,839
out everything to do with the actual

1212
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,359
investigations because it just would

1213
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,359
spoil the documentary series when it

1214
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,280
comes out

1215
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,440
you know probably for your audience to

1216
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,680
consider see this picture right now

1217
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,359
so you're watching this from dan's

1218
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,280
perspective tonight but look where i am

1219
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,440
and look where my camera is imagine what

1220
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,359
they look like in that setting from that

1221
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:15,920
camera perspective they're about to

1222
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:18,960
interview two local business owners

1223
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:22,079
over uh an eyewitness account that they

1224
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,839
made themselves and they describe it out

1225
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,119
and i filmed

1226
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,359
about 45 minute interview dan and vinnie

1227
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,359
with these people and they're like two

1228
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,920
of the most respected folk in town so

1229
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,920
it's so good to have these people on in

1230
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,680
their own business and as you said dan

1231
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,079
every single scene in our film supports

1232
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,640
another local business whether it's a

1233
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,960
local julio and his brothers whether

1234
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,800
it's not the police we couldn't use them

1235
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,480
but this shop for instance the coffee

1236
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:48,960
shops we saw people preparing this stuff

1237
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,440
so it is really culturally rich there's

1238
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,920
no scenes there's no studios it's all

1239
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,680
unseen isn't it

1240
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,160
yeah yeah yeah absolutely how did you

1241
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,119
find because i think this was

1242
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,880
this was probably the first interview

1243
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,800
that vinnie and i have done in person

1244
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:07,280
together with people like after after

1245
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,880
all the you know podcasts we've done

1246
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,480
other people we've spoken to

1247
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,920
yeah that was how did you find that

1248
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:14,079
vinny being in front of the camera um i

1249
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,359
didn't mind being in front of the camera

1250
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,599
and i think this one was a good start

1251
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,720
for the

1252
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,800
interviews we did over the the duration

1253
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,240
of the trip because

1254
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,559
luckily these guys spoke english so we

1255
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,359
were okay that's not luck that was

1256
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,240
really well planned by that you know

1257
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,559
your first one was not going to be with

1258
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,559
someone like some of the other people we

1259
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,720
filmed yeah because we

1260
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,319
we did do interviews we did do

1261
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,240
interviews with people that you know we

1262
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,559
had to have translators and that's where

1263
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,319
things get a little bit difficult and so

1264
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:47,280
luckily i i i will keep saying luckily

1265
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:48,720
luckily for me

1266
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,760
straightforward because they were

1267
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,920
english speaking so

1268
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,440
yeah

1269
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,599
and they were very clear let's let's

1270
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,720
talk about that okay because we don't

1271
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,920
have to reveal anything but we're

1272
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,920
allowed to tease we did a lot of work

1273
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:03,760
this is literally what this is for like

1274
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,950
and his opinion on what they saw

1275
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:13,040
remember so we have

1276
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,440
the opinion of an oxford professor on

1277
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:17,119
this particular site and i remember that

1278
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:18,839
in the interview that'll be

1279
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,400
used there we go

1280
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,559
nice thank you

1281
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,000
oh this is great ash i'm glad you could

1282
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,520
join us

1283
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,760
i was a bit messy i just thought oh look

1284
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,440
the two guys are you're giving it from

1285
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,680
your perspective and i thought

1286
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,280
maybe there's no space for me here

1287
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:37,119
because it would be interesting to hear

1288
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,800
it from an outsider's perspective but

1289
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,040
i'm loving it i'm loving being involved

1290
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,440
ash tell us what this is here because i

1291
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,040
this blew my mind

1292
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,640
yeah this was cool

1293
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:49,440
so the the valley has two villages tabio

1294
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,640
and tenho

1295
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:53,359
one of the villages ten ho

1296
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,559
has a

1297
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,960
such a history of the phenomenon being

1298
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,520
cited from the village that the local

1299
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:02,319
mayor who was voted in last year has

1300
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:05,520
used a ufo in the official town crest

1301
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,640
and got it

1302
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,559
rubber stamped by head authorities in

1303
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:09,920
bogota so

1304
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,319
so predominant is the phenomenon in this

1305
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,640
town that you can see it look at the ufo

1306
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,040
above the church

1307
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,440
yeah it's very very cool that it's

1308
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,640
that that prevalent um

1309
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:24,079
it's everywhere

1310
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,839
do you know what documentary makers have

1311
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:28,000
to do to try and find

1312
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,520
like you watch the area of 51

1313
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:31,119
documentaries you know one thing that's

1314
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:32,640
going to happen is everyone's going to

1315
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,200
have the the alien that one in

1316
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,119
you know before and they're so pushed

1317
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,960
for content but we

1318
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:41,119
everything we looked at everything we do

1319
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,559
everywhere you turn

1320
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:43,760
paintings

1321
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:47,920
aliens obny's light phenomenon ufos it's

1322
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,040
just

1323
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,119
so rich

1324
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:53,280
yeah

1325
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,800
hence the reason you were there you know

1326
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,319
it's and this is great there's the

1327
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,160
valley there we were staying at the base

1328
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,000
sort of the base of that mountain right

1329
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,630
yeah

1330
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,559
it was just beautiful i mean and the

1331
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:08,880
thing is we're in a uh the loca i think

1332
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,599
that's one of the local taxis am i right

1333
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,760
let's see you is it a bus

1334
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,440
well we had we had drivers and stuff

1335
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:17,040
didn't we it was it was strange people

1336
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,800
just turned up and took us places it was

1337
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,800
quite bizarre yeah we had different

1338
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:22,720
drivers for different days sometimes we

1339
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:25,119
needed like julio and i keep calling the

1340
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,599
three amigos they they had the old four

1341
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,440
by four the mitsubishi when we needed to

1342
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,359
go up white and stuff but

1343
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:33,119
these are the towns oh no that's a four

1344
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,480
by four well you know guys not in the

1345
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:35,680
back of that

1346
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,910
this one actually where i'm filming kind

1347
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,400
of you you can see i kind of hang my

1348
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:46,800
hand low by the tire um

1349
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,440
and yeah my my phone was covered in dirt

1350
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:51,920
i was just like oh my god i i didn't or

1351
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,599
at least i forgot that those mud flaps

1352
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,440
were not protecting my phone they were

1353
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:57,040
protecting you know the underside of the

1354
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,829
walters here in the chat saying that was

1355
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:05,040
a taxi

1356
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,720
that you meant to say it's ash's cool

1357
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,000
4x4 off-road thing

1358
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,640
[Laughter]

1359
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:14,319
i'm not just right there thanks walter

1360
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,829
one of the guys that was on the trip

1361
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,920
right walter i can tell people who you

1362
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,680
are because we're going to just about to

1363
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,240
show the world walters works

1364
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,000
with he's a space analyst in north

1365
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,720
america so he we had

1366
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,119
kind of like uh

1367
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:35,440
what would you say how could you put how

1368
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:36,559
much

1369
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,760
would you need a space analyst on a uap

1370
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,839
investigation it's like perfect so he's

1371
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:43,440
a drone pilot too and this is who you've

1372
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:44,240
seen

1373
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:46,160
shouting at us here so the world will

1374
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,440
know walter

1375
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,280
on the first domain definitely oh

1376
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:51,119
definitely

1377
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,319
walter was

1378
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:54,240
so invaluable he was

1379
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,040
just

1380
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,800
so valuable

1381
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:57,760
valuable

1382
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,720
i mean man if without walter we wouldn't

1383
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:02,559
have had some of the

1384
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,839
important

1385
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:06,000
insight and stuff like that he was so

1386
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,359
cool

1387
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,760
it was them a case where if walter for

1388
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,599
some reason he doesn't know it because

1389
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,760
he can see he's oblivious but when

1390
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,680
maybe the table sitting down engages in

1391
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:17,359
the conversation walter will appear with

1392
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,119
a set of binoculars at a window in the

1393
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,359
distance like he's just

1394
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:23,599
constantly on the phenomenon right

1395
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,920
constantly looking for the lights

1396
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:27,200
shall we use this moment to kind of

1397
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,589
these were some of my favorite moments

1398
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,000
actually just just because

1399
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,760
you know no matter what we were doing in

1400
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,760
the day and some some days you know some

1401
00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:41,920
of us went out and other ones were

1402
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,160
recovering

1403
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,520
[Laughter]

1404
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:47,440
sorry that that wasn't you that was a

1405
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,480
another guy that's dj um

1406
00:52:52,410 --> 00:52:51,680
but

1407
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:52,420
again the

1408
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,079
[Music]

1409
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:56,559
it was a good kind of place to debrief

1410
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,920
at the end of every day and just talk

1411
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,480
about what we felt about the day and

1412
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,240
many people here were just experienced

1413
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,079
in life in different areas and it was

1414
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,480
great to hear different angles and

1415
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,160
you know just

1416
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,079
get that rational side of things no one

1417
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,319
was debunking but everyone was kind of

1418
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,880
skeptical in their own kind of ways

1419
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,319
but we all had different violences as

1420
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,599
well you know i think i discovered that

1421
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,960
within myself when i was out there so

1422
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,559
that that was interesting

1423
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,280
uh but yeah let's go from the left um

1424
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,760
ash you you kind of inverted these

1425
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,599
people and accepted them and you know

1426
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,960
that let them

1427
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,520
on to the project so

1428
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:33,440
start from the left and tell me

1429
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:34,640
who

1430
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:38,000
this business yeah so this is jeshrine

1431
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,200
rassingham

1432
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,280
who is an analyst from london he's

1433
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,720
involved in

1434
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,720
international politics just say that

1435
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,079
it's broad enough

1436
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,520
he's um a big date analyst

1437
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,000
he lent leans towards skeptic but

1438
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,920
definitely definitely one of the more

1439
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,240
open ones of the team he's got big

1440
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,559
parameters one of jesh's lines which is

1441
00:54:03,109 --> 00:53:59,920
going to come out in the first to me one

1442
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:03,119
of his first lines is

1443
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:06,880
i shouldn't disregard interdimensional

1444
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,839
and i shouldn't disregard

1445
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,480
extraterrestrial

1446
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:12,720
but i leaned towards it being

1447
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:15,280
an unexplained natural phenomenon and

1448
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,480
that's just

1449
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,720
that's big

1450
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,839
that's jesh

1451
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,559
jess was awesome man yes such a such a

1452
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:23,599
cool guy

1453
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:29,040
anxiety chatting away really good at i

1454
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:30,640
thought he was great

1455
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,200
yeah very very well traveled as well so

1456
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,040
he he kind of gathered some interesting

1457
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,359
perspectives and you know there was a

1458
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,280
moment where we thought oh my god you

1459
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:40,640
know he he might be in danger and

1460
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,599
actually he he kind of had it right like

1461
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:45,119
he was fine and he was just like no i

1462
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,160
know what i'm doing i've done this

1463
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,599
before

1464
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,920
in places so yeah

1465
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:51,599
that it was interesting to have him on

1466
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:54,720
board um and then

1467
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,400
left is lydia rumer lydia is an attorney

1468
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,920
and judge

1469
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,280
in um

1470
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,760
one of the new york districts

1471
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,400
lydia has been to colombia

1472
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,960
on three occasions this was her third

1473
00:55:13,870 --> 00:55:10,480
return so

1474
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:13,880
on our panel of let's call ourselves uep

1475
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,359
enthusiasts no such thing as an expert

1476
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:19,359
lydia lydia was good because she would

1477
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,720
make quite blunt straight calls

1478
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,240
like when we present some of the

1479
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:26,319
photographs that i've taken historically

1480
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:27,119
which

1481
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,640
might or might not represent the

1482
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,960
phenomenon as we explore

1483
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,960
lydia's quick to determine whether she

1484
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:35,119
thinks this was a torch or absolutely

1485
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,799
not so while a lot of us explore ideas

1486
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:40,799
lydia didn't say much but would make

1487
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,000
these really snap sharp judgments so she

1488
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,400
plays a really interesting role and also

1489
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:49,200
kind of you know lydia she's most

1490
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,799
you know if you could design your own

1491
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,640
granny it would be lydia right she's the

1492
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,400
most mental

1493
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:56,559
lovely welcoming person in the world

1494
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,760
right

1495
00:56:04,069 --> 00:55:59,599
yeah absolutely but with the best new

1496
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:04,870
yeah

1497
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:06,319
totally

1498
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,160
and then we go around the table look so

1499
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,400
next is that we getting the victory off

1500
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,000
natty dos we are

1501
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:14,000
yeah we call our natty dos which is

1502
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:15,680
quite you know her name is nattie

1503
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:18,480
casjano's natalia cast janos but my

1504
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,280
wife's name is natalia also so

1505
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,079
they have natalia uno and natalia dorse

1506
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:27,119
because together they are called

1507
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,589
the tune that is is perfect isn't it the

1508
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:36,319
illuminati

1509
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:37,119
yeah

1510
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:38,079
so

1511
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,680
translator she filmed for me with me she

1512
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,920
is great so she was like at the heart of

1513
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,839
preparing the whole show

1514
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,200
and um

1515
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,799
she was with us all week wasn't she

1516
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:54,720
great guys

1517
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,599
yeah really really kind of insightful in

1518
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,960
terms of

1519
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,160
the

1520
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:03,280
side because she hadn't long found out

1521
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,720
that she had kind of a heritage um and

1522
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:08,000
it was really interesting going to these

1523
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,359
places and asking her about what she

1524
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,520
learned because yeah she just knew a lot

1525
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:14,240
um and could kind of

1526
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,520
i felt like she translated the

1527
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,280
subtleties well you know she thought

1528
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,440
about what she was saying

1529
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,720
i think it was more as well it was

1530
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:22,480
comforting to have someone local just

1531
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,359
there

1532
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,280
hanging out with us and and making us

1533
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,200
understand everything you know i had so

1534
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,520
many questions all the time and i i'm

1535
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:31,359
sure i went to natty so many times and

1536
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,160
like

1537
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:34,000
what's this what's that explain this

1538
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,520
explain that and she was just like boo

1539
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:37,760
boo boom boom like just

1540
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:38,480
done

1541
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,520
you know amazing and also she when we

1542
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,119
got to the mountains and stuff the

1543
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:45,760
hilltops she she is aware and knows the

1544
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,079
moisture rituals to ask for permission

1545
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,599
to enter the mountain and then for

1546
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,440
permission to do to be safe and then to

1547
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:53,200
leave and it was lovely she'd do

1548
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,960
offerings tobacco and stuff you did a

1549
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,960
wrap you didn't you with her on the boy

1550
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,079
yeah there'll be there's a picture

1551
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,160
coming up that you you'll see but yeah

1552
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:02,640
every opportunity i could i just you

1553
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,559
know one head first and people are kind

1554
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,559
of being very gracious enough to send me

1555
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,920
out there so i just felt i could do

1556
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,440
nothing less than just embrace the

1557
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,599
experience and whatever came with it so

1558
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,440
yeah i kind of partake in a number of

1559
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,520
those ceremonies and and they were

1560
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,400
interesting interesting sensations um

1561
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:19,680
you know having

1562
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,720
that blown up your nose um

1563
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,640
but it's

1564
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,680
sorry go on

1565
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:27,680
no please i can interrupt you later go

1566
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,480
on

1567
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,160
it's actually i'll hold it because we'll

1568
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,079
get to a point here where there are some

1569
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,240
photos that i was about to talk about

1570
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:36,240
the ceremony in the hut but well we'll

1571
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,200
get there

1572
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,280
yeah we'll go um so then you you've met

1573
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,000
walter you know this is walter

1574
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,400
myself and this is my wife and then it

1575
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,079
comes around to dan

1576
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,480
oh ignore me go back to your wife and

1577
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,079
tell daddy

1578
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:52,240
let's go back to me and spend a good 25

1579
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,230
nadi my wife beside me is that she

1580
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,000
produced pretty much everything dealt

1581
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,480
with all of the locations and making

1582
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,880
sure we had the right permissions from

1583
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,720
the police and all the nuances being

1584
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,319
sorted out like i've got terrible

1585
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:10,720
spanish and while i can get a yes you

1586
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,319
can go up the mountain

1587
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:14,480
she natty gets all the details make sure

1588
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:15,599
everybody's

1589
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,680
fed make sure the cleaners the cooks and

1590
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:19,040
all the people that make the thing the

1591
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,480
mechanics of the film come together so

1592
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,960
between natalie uno and nadi dos i was

1593
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,799
left to greatly just look through the

1594
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,480
camera lens and trying to figure out

1595
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:30,799
what to record and they just took care

1596
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:32,720
of like everything else production-wise

1597
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:36,000
so there's nat euno and daddy dos

1598
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:37,520
yeah it was incredible man i felt

1599
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,240
spoiled i i'm so used to

1600
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,079
doing things and when we were there

1601
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,559
everyone was doing everything for us

1602
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,400
and that felt really bizarre to me you

1603
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:49,200
know having food cooked for you and

1604
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:49,920
just

1605
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,599
was great it was

1606
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,200
strange but great

1607
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,040
i get the here's the big thing that they

1608
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,640
did for me too is they covered my

1609
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,720
feelings in the sense that

1610
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:04,480
i think we're on to day four when i

1611
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,520
remember i was so deeply entrenched into

1612
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,119
and panicking that was getting things

1613
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,799
right like am i pressing the record

1614
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,400
button on the sound is the lighting

1615
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,000
going to be fine is the

1616
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:15,599
battery do we have back display with the

1617
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:16,960
whole thing

1618
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,920
and if i i forgot i was a host as well

1619
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,680
you guys would think

1620
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:23,359
oh yeah that's the cruel picture yeah

1621
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:25,040
that's it that's a satisfied person

1622
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,109
we were in a world of our own so yeah

1623
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,520
yeah it was it was that moment yeah

1624
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,960
so you would have been very focused

1625
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,760
there

1626
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,599
um here i won't show this again just in

1627
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,520
case you use it in the film but that's

1628
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:42,960
ash explained that there was yeah a

1629
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:45,520
reason that you can show this i don't

1630
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,359
think there's anything

1631
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,440
what it is is real honesty there's no

1632
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:51,440
we're not i can't even remember filming

1633
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,430
but it tells a story i think

1634
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,880
it does and the thing is that while dan

1635
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,440
like lays up the video ready to play

1636
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,359
we were this was not just one vehicle we

1637
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,440
were in convoy of two sometimes three

1638
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,119
vehicles as well and

1639
01:01:11,109 --> 01:01:08,880
you kind of stand out like a sore thumb

1640
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:11,119
and we knew and we were aware that going

1641
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,960
up to some of these locations

1642
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,640
there are bandits in the area that kind

1643
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,319
of keep their eye out for people that

1644
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:18,240
stand out like gringos you know the

1645
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:19,839
white the white man

1646
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:28,069
right we couldn't tell dan and vinnie

1647
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:29,599
and everybody before they came but the

1648
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:31,839
truth is these mountains are really

1649
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:33,680
dangerous there's lots of quite poor

1650
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,559
families a small full smart small

1651
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,200
cartels okay so they follow the tourists

1652
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:41,119
up and rob them at the top so what we

1653
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:42,720
had to do today to make sure everybody

1654
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,040
was safe was to send police cars and

1655
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,760
trucks up there all morning just signal

1656
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,760
outwards of this activity and cops up

1657
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,680
here today so now we're coming up in a

1658
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:53,520
group of about 15 people nobody's going

1659
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,670
yeah that's the troops

1660
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:03,270
that's cool and and then we got up there

1661
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:04,799
and unfortunately we couldn't go any

1662
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,079
further than here um so we kind of

1663
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,400
flipped the script and went over to the

1664
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,000
other side of the valley

1665
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:14,000
but you know it's great

1666
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,359
do you know what happened to me when

1667
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:17,039
that those cops said you ain't going any

1668
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:19,119
higher i'm like

1669
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:21,760
you and dan and lydia and vinnie and

1670
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,640
what you accumulated accumulated 50 000

1671
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,720
miles to get there and home and we're

1672
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:28,240
not getting to up the mountain you've no

1673
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:32,000
idea i never took a stroke that day

1674
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:33,520
we flipped the script and went to the

1675
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,319
other mountain fortunately natty doss

1676
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,240
flipped my script and got us up the

1677
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:40,000
other mountain

1678
01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,440
i'm just going to just respond to this

1679
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,280
jay allen any questions regarding

1680
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:45,039
anything that we may or may not have

1681
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,839
seen

1682
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:47,680
i'm going to avoid answering at this

1683
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,240
point just to avoid any spoilers from

1684
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:51,920
the documentary series

1685
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,640
my apologies um what we are going to be

1686
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:56,960
doing and for everybody um when the

1687
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:59,200
episodes do air weekly on the

1688
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,599
phenomenology channel as soon as each

1689
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:03,599
episode's aired we are going to be going

1690
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,880
live to discuss the episode and that's

1691
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,640
when we can really talk about things but

1692
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,240
until it's out i just don't want to

1693
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:11,760
spoil anything

1694
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:14,000
so yeah i know that sucks sometimes for

1695
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,839
people but i think it's just the right

1696
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,599
thing to do i think you're absolutely

1697
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,680
right but i'm reading this guys was it

1698
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,280
what was that question there the last

1699
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:23,039
one because what he was asking was was

1700
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:24,960
it all passive observation that's the

1701
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:26,720
direct question isn't it but yeah did it

1702
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:28,960
react to us or was it passive

1703
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:30,640
observation like

1704
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:33,440
we yeah but i think that'll all be

1705
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:36,160
yeah it will be clear

1706
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:38,000
in the series you know

1707
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,520
yeah without saying anything you know i

1708
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,680
don't want to spoil it anything there is

1709
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:43,200
going to set people away thinking

1710
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:45,039
something yeah it's a difficult one it's

1711
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:47,200
a really difficult one jalen i hope you

1712
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:49,359
understand my friend

1713
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:52,799
so this is mojoy that we're up here um

1714
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,039
this was a rappy ceremony where as i was

1715
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:57,440
first introduced to that

1716
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,599
and i just maybe we should explain what

1717
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,880
rappy is

1718
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,119
hell meter

1719
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:06,000
there you go uh yeah go go ahead ash um

1720
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:07,359
you're more

1721
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,880
informed

1722
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:11,039
you can imagine two bird leg bones

1723
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,119
hollowed so you have two hollow pipes

1724
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:15,200
and they are joined at a right angle

1725
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:17,119
with a wee bracket

1726
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,160
so you put powdered tobacco pure it's so

1727
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:22,799
let me go back they take to indigenous

1728
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,640
people take tobacco leaves and dry them

1729
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:27,119
for two years carefully controlling the

1730
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:29,280
climates of no mold forms

1731
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:30,720
they rub that up and powder it and they

1732
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,520
put it in the end of a pipe so as you

1733
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,039
hang on let me get this right yeah you

1734
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:37,599
blow down one end of the pipe

1735
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,400
as you sniff up your left nostril and

1736
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,400
you get a really intense punch of

1737
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:43,920
tobacco

1738
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,079
it expands the lungs

1739
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,480
gives you energy clears the head makes

1740
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,839
you talk

1741
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,079
and it and it um

1742
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:54,240
cleanses you so it's part of a cleansing

1743
01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:55,680
ceremony when you're at the top of the

1744
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:58,079
mountain so there we go it's like a

1745
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,799
snuff if you like in in old england but

1746
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,559
delivered with a a pipe

1747
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:04,079
self-administered

1748
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:06,240
how did you find it

1749
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:08,799
it was really great it kind of gave you

1750
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,599
just a little bit of head space after

1751
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:13,839
just exhausting yourself kind of really

1752
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,960
exercising

1753
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:17,520
effort to get to the top of the

1754
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:23,990
it was really nice as well to kind of

1755
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:26,319
just take that moment at that time to

1756
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,760
acknowledge the history of the place

1757
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,520
that you were stood in and what that

1758
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,039
meant to people that have come before

1759
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:33,520
you um i i don't think we do that enough

1760
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:36,000
these days and it just you know at the

1761
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,440
very least it gave you that space to be

1762
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,359
mindful of the moment and present in the

1763
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:41,599
moment with which i feel

1764
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,599
like

1765
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:45,200
you know that that would have been

1766
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:48,240
appreciated um if i was to get a time

1767
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:50,480
machine and go back then uh to just kind

1768
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,839
of sit there and take part and really

1769
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:54,160
consider uh the imports of the place

1770
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:55,440
they kind of i think i said to you at

1771
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:56,720
one point that

1772
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:58,880
going up and down to these peaks it felt

1773
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,920
like there were different realms that

1774
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,599
you passed through that had kind of you

1775
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:03,839
know different ecology different uh

1776
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,079
feelings different sounds and yeah it

1777
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:07,920
was just bizarre kind of really really

1778
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:10,319
otherworldly

1779
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:12,960
so much dylan and it's not

1780
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:15,039
imagination that makes it otherworldly

1781
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:16,960
here's why when you're at ten thousand

1782
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:18,640
eight thousand feet five hundred eight

1783
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,920
thousand five hundred feet what we

1784
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:21,599
started

1785
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:23,839
well when you ascend five hundred feet

1786
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:26,799
from there the air again halves

1787
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:28,960
so without the supply of oxygen to your

1788
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,079
brain

1789
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,799
colors do become brighter smells do

1790
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:34,640
become more intense

1791
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,799
you sweat and there's no breath you're

1792
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,720
cold because you're sweating it yeah and

1793
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:40,880
you've got this driving cold air thin

1794
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:43,119
air but yet the sun is on your forehead

1795
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:44,720
so you can be

1796
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:47,680
everything changes your perception

1797
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:48,720
of

1798
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,440
everything in your reality is slightly

1799
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:53,920
warped so it truly is otherworldly and

1800
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:55,839
the higher you go by the time you get to

1801
01:07:01,990 --> 01:06:58,240
the top of la pena de weica

1802
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,000
it feels wholly otherworldly where

1803
01:07:05,349 --> 01:07:03,839
even what you see changes everything

1804
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,359
becomes higher resolution do you

1805
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:06,640
understand that

1806
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:08,880
yeah oh god yeah i mean it was

1807
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:10,799
we were warned about it a lot about the

1808
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,359
change of well how it would all change

1809
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:15,119
um and you felt it

1810
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:16,720
definitely and i think the good thing is

1811
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:18,799
we you know we climbed two mountains we

1812
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:21,039
climbed to mojoy before we climbed waika

1813
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:23,440
and mahoy gave us a good opportunity to

1814
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:24,960
experience that before we did the big

1815
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,319
one you know

1816
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,559
but yeah for sure i i remember it

1817
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,640
vividly the feelings and and everything

1818
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,880
and yeah it was incredible remember when

1819
01:07:36,470 --> 01:07:34,480
we left to go up ahoy

1820
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,480
i that that i certainly was i was

1821
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,920
getting quite partnered because i saw

1822
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:40,319
dan gone off with 91 matthew does like a

1823
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,880
spring lamb up the hill and then

1824
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,119
did the dogs are going so fast

1825
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:47,760
george pummels past vinnie and i and i

1826
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:49,839
saw josh go in that pace and vinnie and

1827
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,520
i were kind of like this we're taking a

1828
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,760
while to call them climatize here

1829
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,319
and i bet you maybe vinnie was a hundred

1830
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,480
hundred meters further we came around

1831
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:00,400
the corner and jesh was like a starfish

1832
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,280
on a rock dummy yeah

1833
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:05,119
and i was like yes it's not gonna be

1834
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:06,799
vinnie and i

1835
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:09,920
um jt parker says without coca leaves

1836
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,319
i'm gonna hold my hands up and say i did

1837
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,799
have some coca leaves to help help me up

1838
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,799
so i'm gonna say that now

1839
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:18,880
yeah yeah again it gave you headspace

1840
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,799
and and it really kind of it was like

1841
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,560
having an energy drink but without any

1842
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,000
of that kind of

1843
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:25,839
downside that comes after you've had too

1844
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,920
many of them you know you're shaking and

1845
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:29,440
the hummingbirds wings are going slow

1846
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:31,120
for you um

1847
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,120
yeah you didn't get any of that stuff it

1848
01:08:39,110 --> 01:08:35,600
just kind of gave you a a little yeah

1849
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:39,120
like a one energy drink so and just so

1850
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:40,719
we don't get any

1851
01:08:43,990 --> 01:08:42,880
ridiculous comments we should say quick

1852
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:44,000
that the

1853
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:46,560
the the coca leaf

1854
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,120
when it's digested it obviously expands

1855
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,880
the lungs it gives you more you can

1856
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:53,679
metabolize oxygen easier but and it's as

1857
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,960
close to cocaine as perhaps the fluoride

1858
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,560
and toothpaste will hurt you you know

1859
01:09:03,829 --> 01:09:01,120
it's it's just not the same thing it's a

1860
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,839
completely different thing and again

1861
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,759
jay allen raises a good point here to a

1862
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:07,440
degree says personally i would avoid

1863
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,120
discussing the substances that were

1864
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:11,040
available or used during this

1865
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:13,040
exploration it's inevitable that a

1866
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:15,759
skeptic will say these are induced

1867
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:18,560
phenomena and i i see that point but

1868
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,990
i i was just gonna say i would emphasize

1869
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:24,799
that

1870
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,719
point in this are you gonna hear us say

1871
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,319
we took this and then we saw that and

1872
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,120
therefore that was real like you no just

1873
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:35,120
know we we didn't go there and i totally

1874
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,120
appreciate that yeah that's a good point

1875
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:39,520
definitely yeah you guys know you guys

1876
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:41,279
matt who is the guy let's this is my

1877
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,880
answer to this one i've got to chip this

1878
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,080
in is

1879
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,799
if we were to suggest those things

1880
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,880
we would have to listen to you but i

1881
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:50,719
would immediately ask you to tell me how

1882
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:54,159
then a canon 5d gets affected

1883
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:55,920
i mean canon 5ds if you put mushrooms

1884
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,870
yeah

1885
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:02,880
lenses

1886
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:05,600
these guys would not bother with us um

1887
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:07,040
if we were

1888
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,400
we were we were extremely lucky to

1889
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:12,400
have some time

1890
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,440
with uh luis elizondo and sean cahill

1891
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,600
who we were doing investigations we were

1892
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:19,040
out there so we literally thought to

1893
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,640
present them with some ideas with some

1894
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,239
things we were looking at and kind of go

1895
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:24,400
you know help what would you guys do if

1896
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:25,840
you were here how would you investigate

1897
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,480
this and just being told a few pointers

1898
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,400
on that from you know

1899
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,400
the guy that ran at like that's pretty

1900
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,679
cool

1901
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:35,440
you know what's going to happen you guys

1902
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,199
aren't even going to be on the dvd cover

1903
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,120
for this it's just going to be this

1904
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:44,070
feature featuring louis under and sean

1905
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:45,600
cahill and then at the bottom it's got

1906
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,320
us yeah that's cool

1907
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:50,320
it was great but both sean and lou they

1908
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,600
you know they're very experienced these

1909
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:53,920
are unidentified that they both go and

1910
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,000
gather i guess what we would call human

1911
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,280
um just talking to people um

1912
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:02,400
around guadalupe and catalina so yeah

1913
01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,760
they've done this before and they were

1914
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:05,679
able to kind of give us a few pointers

1915
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,760
um yeah one one of the things that was

1916
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:09,360
recommended that i didn't expect was

1917
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:11,440
that lou recommended we talked to

1918
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,400
priests

1919
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:15,040
um because in these areas of the world

1920
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:17,040
this this is the

1921
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,360
the kind of person that will be confided

1922
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,600
in by the locals um and i just thought

1923
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,960
oh yeah of course that's that's a

1924
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:24,640
brilliant idea and they just didn't even

1925
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:27,360
occur to me so you know remember you you

1926
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,480
don't always know everything you need to

1927
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,239
know before you start investigating so

1928
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:33,360
someone can just throw a great idea into

1929
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,480
the mix

1930
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:36,480
i think the good thing about this for me

1931
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,840
was this was midway through the

1932
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,440
investigation as well when we spoke to

1933
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,000
lou and sean and it kind of not that we

1934
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:44,640
needed it but it certainly was a boost

1935
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,719
to show that the things that we were

1936
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,640
telling them that we'd done

1937
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:50,960
were you know they were telling us

1938
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:52,159
you're doing the right thing you're

1939
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:53,920
going in the right directions with this

1940
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:56,000
investigation and yeah they added a

1941
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,360
couple of things on to what we hadn't

1942
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,440
done but yeah it was it was a real boost

1943
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,679
for me personally

1944
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:04,320
and as a filmmaker yeah i mean come on

1945
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,600
think of what it was for me when you

1946
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:07,360
said listen guess what we're doing today

1947
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,910
yeah

1948
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,440
they they probably gave us their time

1949
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,199
you know it was uh

1950
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,960
i planned this for a while out and i

1951
01:12:20,070 --> 01:12:18,159
wouldn't tell ashley who we were

1952
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:20,080
speaking to i just had a good chunk of

1953
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:21,840
time and something was going to be

1954
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,199
happening and it was it was amazing to

1955
01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:25,040
gather the group and introduce lou and

1956
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:28,719
sean to walter and uh lydia and uh you

1957
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:31,360
know uh josh and

1958
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,679
you and ash and you you guys have all

1959
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:35,760
picked up conversation and i i feel like

1960
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:38,320
a built a useful bridge there um

1961
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,880
certainly walter and lou felt like they

1962
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:42,159
started talking a different language to

1963
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,600
each other

1964
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:45,280
they were talking like in intelligence

1965
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,880
terms and

1966
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,040
yeah it was just oh okay

1967
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,880
you know you you guys clearly know each

1968
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,199
other from this it's like a secret yeah

1969
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:55,440
we quite clearly knew quite quickly that

1970
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:03,030
yeah

1971
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:04,880
you'll see these two out these were just

1972
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,800
the video updates that um vimy and i

1973
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,040
were putting up um i'm happy if people

1974
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:11,040
want to to just cut all these together

1975
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,600
and check them up on youtube um so you

1976
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:16,159
can watch them um but you if you listen

1977
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:17,840
to the audio kind of updates that we did

1978
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,280
and watch the instagram updates since we

1979
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,960
went you would have seen these but we

1980
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,800
will put them somewhere for you

1981
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:24,640
yeah so there's some on my instagram and

1982
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:27,040
there's some on that ufo podcast

1983
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,640
audio

1984
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:30,480
you'll be dropping them large closer to

1985
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:32,520
them

1986
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:32,590
[Music]

1987
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,320
[Laughter]

1988
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,320
right who wants to tell the story

1989
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:40,320
because i'm not doing it

1990
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,760
i think ashton he tells it so well

1991
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,080
right how does it start it starts with

1992
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:48,400
it starts after that it starts after

1993
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,440
i'll i'll sorry i'll chime in on so that

1994
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,280
conversation with uh

1995
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:55,280
lou and sean was on the saturday

1996
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:56,960
afternoon

1997
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:57,760
and

1998
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:00,800
on the saturday evening we were hosting

1999
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:04,800
guests so locals witnesses for a kind of

2000
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:07,280
a barbecue in a party weren't we so i

2001
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,960
started drinking quite

2002
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,320
quite early

2003
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,960
you did start drinking quite a bit

2004
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,199
that's what i'm saying he didn't start

2005
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,800
drinking early so he started drinking a

2006
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:19,040
lot really early and

2007
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:20,880
what was happening was these folk

2008
01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,960
latinos not very many of them with

2009
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,159
english were there and there was like

2010
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:25,760
quite a cult them and i was thinking on

2011
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:28,320
and i thought a couple of wines and will

2012
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,320
all come together so

2013
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,320
i'm sitting behind bushes filming

2014
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,760
everyone chatting close-ups and

2015
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,280
everything and i scan through this bush

2016
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:37,280
and i get to vinnie and he's looking a

2017
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,040
bit worse for the wear the hoodies up

2018
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,360
and the heads down and he is

2019
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,840
right into this piece of sweet

2020
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:45,600
solely beachy music and everyone was

2021
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,640
loving it and the next thing was like

2022
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:50,640
the gates of hell opened he dropped a

2023
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:54,159
drum and bass number right

2024
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,760
camera lens i could see this woman

2025
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:57,120
putting her lipstick and stuff in the

2026
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:59,199
bag standing up and moving and i touched

2027
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:00,560
vinnie and then elbow and said vinnie

2028
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:03,040
you're clearing the party out here

2029
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,560
and he's like wait for it wait for it

2030
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:06,080
wait for it and i did i thought let's

2031
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:08,960
see where this goes and the biggest dmv

2032
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,679
clangers started coming and dan and i

2033
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,199
were just

2034
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:15,280
broken laughing watching this

2035
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:21,270
with a hood down

2036
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:23,510
it was in that moment that ashley dubbed

2037
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,159
this character dj disclosure which i

2038
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:28,320
thought was just wonderful uh

2039
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,000
we we need to get vinnie's logo and

2040
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,320
change it up so it just says dj jacob

2041
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,719
that'll be an amazing t-shirt it seems

2042
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:36,719
to happen once and every [\h__\h] because we

2043
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,719
experienced something similar only two

2044
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:40,800
weeks ago didn't we

2045
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,840
yeah we did uh we did um

2046
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:46,000
but it's lovely it's like vinnie's

2047
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,600
always so happy in those moments it's

2048
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,000
never like you know i said i'm a mom i

2049
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,080
said he's not there's no aggro i said he

2050
01:15:55,190 --> 01:15:54,239
turns into the big cuddly life advice

2051
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,200
guy i think he's drunk

2052
01:16:02,630 --> 01:15:57,280
[Laughter]

2053
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:04,390
we do we could do that at christmas we

2054
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:08,320
have enough of any now you know right

2055
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:10,000
every three minute christmas special

2056
01:16:12,870 --> 01:16:11,440
maybe do it for your fundraiser see if

2057
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:12,880
we can drop see if you can make some

2058
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,120
money from this fundraiser with that

2059
01:16:21,380 --> 01:16:17,120
dude we'll put we'll put dj disclosure

2060
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:23,110
[Laughter]

2061
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:24,719
you want to see the good [\h__\h] you got to

2062
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:27,040
pay for it i'm kidding of course you

2063
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:29,920
know people take that [\h__\h] seriously but

2064
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,880
yeah

2065
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,360
the world's not ready for dj disclosure

2066
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:35,360
not yet but you know we're moving

2067
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,950
i'm just seeing if i can find very

2068
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,640
quickly

2069
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,920
i'm just gonna give a quick shout out to

2070
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:45,360
everybody in the live chat for being

2071
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:46,880
here

2072
01:17:00,149 --> 01:16:58,560
just a little a little trick for you

2073
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:00,159
it was a cracking social like the guys

2074
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:02,000
wasn't it just like 30 40 of water was

2075
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,679
amazing went through we had people

2076
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:06,000
giving us stories witnesses accounts

2077
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,679
people telling us you know we remember

2078
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:09,360
that guy that was there miguel whose

2079
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:10,719
grandfather

2080
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:12,960
funded a governmental scientific

2081
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:15,920
exploration wyk in the 60s yeah

2082
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,679
that's the thing you know that

2083
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:19,520
that's what i you know yeah i'd had a

2084
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,880
couple of wines but we still got some

2085
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,560
good interviews done we got some footage

2086
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,239
and stuff and the stories you were

2087
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:26,719
hearing ranged from scientific stuff

2088
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:29,280
like you just mentioned us ash to

2089
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,840
also people telling us stories of ufos

2090
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:33,360
landing on the mountain and things like

2091
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:34,480
that it was

2092
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:37,199
it was crazy so in a way remember the

2093
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:39,440
lake they landed the land appeared to

2094
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,679
land so often in a lagoon at the top and

2095
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:43,360
then take off that they

2096
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:46,400
they took geologists up climatologists

2097
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:47,520
trying to figure out what this

2098
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:49,600
phenomenon was so yeah isn't it

2099
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,760
wonderful it's like we didn't

2100
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,280
as i said there's so many people have to

2101
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:55,360
scrape a barrel to fill the documentary

2102
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:56,719
but we've got the biggest problem is

2103
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:58,159
what's going to be not be used i mean

2104
01:18:03,669 --> 01:18:01,520
there's just endless accounts of this

2105
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:03,679
too much yeah um

2106
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:05,280
this is the next day which i didn't

2107
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,880
quite make i was feeling a bit worse

2108
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,719
aware so

2109
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:10,320
dan if you if you guys want to talk

2110
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:11,760
about this i'm going to take a bathroom

2111
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,159
break i'll be back in a minute yeah for

2112
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:16,239
sure um actually

2113
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:17,520
do you want to take the lead as i kind

2114
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:19,600
of just go through the photos here

2115
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,120
explain

2116
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,920
where we are um and especially

2117
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,520
remember to mention because this really

2118
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,120
sat with me

2119
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:29,760
we were asked to take something there

2120
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,000
and we did and then it

2121
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,080
you know they it kind of turned around

2122
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:36,400
on us in a very kind way so if you if

2123
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:37,679
you know what i'm on about if you don't

2124
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:40,400
i will jump in with it but

2125
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:41,760
let me try to think what you're telling

2126
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,800
taking there

2127
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,239
we were asked to we were asked to yeah

2128
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:46,480
pick up some items to take

2129
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,470
we the chap you can see the but this so

2130
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,480
this is me with my back to you and the

2131
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:56,400
person who's sitting center screen his

2132
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,880
name is kandil mavanchi

2133
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:00,960
kandeel mamanchi and i'm sure a lot of

2134
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,719
listeners that can have seen and know of

2135
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:04,480
lake guatevita

2136
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:05,920
the circular

2137
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,560
lake in central columbia that served as

2138
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:09,920
a centre of

2139
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:11,840
alchemists early

2140
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,320
13th century goldsmiths were making all

2141
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,040
these fine intricate pieces of moisture

2142
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:19,440
gold art through the lost wax gold

2143
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:20,480
process

2144
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:26,560
is the leader of the guatevita community

2145
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,600
who

2146
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:29,760
is the keeper of the myths the legends

2147
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,520
the medicine the ways of the growing

2148
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:36,000
he he

2149
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:38,480
we appealed him to come and film in the

2150
01:19:43,149 --> 01:19:40,800
guatevita community who not very many

2151
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,159
people ever get access to this is

2152
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,600
exceptionally sacred land and has been

2153
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:47,760
for thousands of years

2154
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:49,600
he insisted that

2155
01:19:55,669 --> 01:19:52,640
he would love to use phenomenology as a

2156
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:55,679
as a way of sharing his experiences with

2157
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,719
light phenomenon and ancestral reports

2158
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,239
of light phenomenon

2159
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,480
and he insisted that to do that we would

2160
01:20:06,390 --> 01:20:04,880
bring him

2161
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:06,400
three

2162
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,560
tubes of salchicha

2163
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:10,880
pork sausage

2164
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:13,280
a loaf of bread

2165
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:14,480
and that we

2166
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,440
would help him with a project that day

2167
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,440
so we said yes to all three we got

2168
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:21,360
ourselves the sausages we got ourselves

2169
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,040
the bread which we thought was pretty

2170
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:25,920
humble not a lot to film

2171
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:28,880
in a sacred community with the gratita

2172
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:30,800
and people

2173
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:32,159
and then we got there down right

2174
01:20:36,550 --> 01:20:34,480
remember what happened

2175
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:36,560
he showed us this

2176
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:39,040
i don't know maybe a two by three meter

2177
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:40,239
square

2178
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:41,280
looking

2179
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:43,360
hole in the ground that was filled with

2180
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:44,840
clay tiny

2181
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,840
sludge they looked as eight gringos

2182
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:49,600
standing in a line not knowing where we

2183
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,520
were and they said

2184
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,120
if you move

2185
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:55,280
that mud

2186
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,960
down there so we can lay a clay

2187
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:59,520
foundation for another temple

2188
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:01,280
will be good to film

2189
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:02,880
so look we all had to get our sleeves

2190
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,840
rolled up we excavated using buckets in

2191
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,520
our bare hands

2192
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:09,440
i reckon

2193
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:10,719
two ton

2194
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,280
of mud and water from their well we

2195
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,840
essentially created them a well a fresh

2196
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,920
water well for the community

2197
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:19,920
so it was three sausages loaf of bread

2198
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:22,400
and about two hours of hard core dirty

2199
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,159
work wasn't it

2200
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:27,040
yeah it was um it was amazing though um

2201
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:33,350
bear with me i've just lost my second

2202
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:35,040
screen i'll keep telling them what's

2203
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,800
going on here because yeah

2204
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,159
give me a second

2205
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,080
yeah indeed the grativity community

2206
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,120
there can deal

2207
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:45,840
they they don't work on an economic

2208
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,199
currency the way they do they wouldn't

2209
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:49,280
accept they don't accept cash cash means

2210
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:51,440
nothing to them so what really really

2211
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:53,440
matters is people that care enough to

2212
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,600
actually go and sweat a bit use the

2213
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:57,840
bodies and apply themselves and

2214
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,480
so we we we took a lot to the community

2215
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,880
that day and we then had this

2216
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:04,800
wonderful lunch with them outside in the

2217
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,920
sun

2218
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,440
after doing the work and then we went in

2219
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:09,520
and recorded this

2220
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:11,360
i would say an hour and a half interview

2221
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,719
with can deal

2222
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,960
that's ranged from everything from i'm

2223
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:16,320
going to use the term guys we're not

2224
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:18,159
seeing it in the phenomenon documentary

2225
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:20,480
but i'm going to say it here

2226
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,239
we kind of

2227
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:24,400
upgraded ancient aliens

2228
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,480
is what we did we talked about uap in

2229
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,320
the ancient world

2230
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:31,120
but within mythology of the moist and

2231
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,120
cheap chi people and that's never been

2232
01:22:36,629 --> 01:22:35,280
publicized before their mythologies have

2233
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:36,639
never been heard

2234
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:37,360
but

2235
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,960
being in his 40s took us all the way

2236
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,560
through to modern sightings that he's

2237
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:43,040
had himself near bogota and around the

2238
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,400
valley

2239
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:46,880
so we just we invested about

2240
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:47,840
time

2241
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:49,679
and as a team and applied ourselves

2242
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:51,679
because we're on average much taller

2243
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:54,000
than they are we can more move move more

2244
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:55,600
mud in an hour than they could perhaps

2245
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:58,560
could do with four of them in a month

2246
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,400
but the rewards were many i mean guys

2247
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:02,960
what we've what that guy told us

2248
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,080
what he's

2249
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,960
publicly saying he sees and saw

2250
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,320
let's use some key words without

2251
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:10,080
divulging too much

2252
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:11,520
he talks about

2253
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:12,800
pyramids

2254
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,199
and he talks about portals

2255
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:17,360
and he talks about

2256
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,199
spheres in the sky

2257
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,040
when they're all put into context with

2258
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,280
the phenomenon that we're seeing here

2259
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:25,920
he colours our investigation from an

2260
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,679
ancient ancestral perspective which is

2261
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:32,000
so much better coming from the people

2262
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:35,199
than from a historian you know like me

2263
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:36,080
so

2264
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:37,760
that's what we got from them we had this

2265
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:38,880
total

2266
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,040
balance we worked brought along enough

2267
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:43,440
for lunch and we left and they had a

2268
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,239
fresh water well and have shared their

2269
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,800
their indigenous time-warned stories

2270
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,000
with the rest of the world through

2271
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,960
phenomenology it's the ultimate win-win

2272
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,480
i'm just going to jump in and guys and

2273
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,239
say i'd like

2274
01:24:04,310 --> 01:23:58,400
to introduce everyone

2275
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:06,310
oh my gosh

2276
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:08,960
look at that how are you guys doing hold

2277
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:11,440
on can we can we take this window right

2278
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:14,400
photos in a second

2279
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:16,400
walter

2280
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:17,920
i just want to let everybody know that's

2281
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,400
watching this i have never been around

2282
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:23,280
three guys that are so great three guys

2283
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:25,440
that work so well together

2284
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,560
um

2285
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:28,560
i i really owe it all to ashley because

2286
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,560
he put these personalities together and

2287
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:31,679
uh we all come from different

2288
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:33,040
backgrounds

2289
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:34,560
so uh this uh

2290
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,920
this is gonna be pretty impressive when

2291
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,520
you guys see what ashley's put together

2292
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:38,960
i think we're gonna open up a lot of

2293
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:40,320
eyes people are gonna be very very

2294
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:41,440
interested in what's going on and want

2295
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,880
to see more they're gonna want more i

2296
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:45,120
guarantee it

2297
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:50,950
actually

2298
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:52,320
ashley's trick is he puts people

2299
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,679
together that he knows he'll say good

2300
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:55,360
[\h__\h] about actually it's all about me

2301
01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:01,270
well done

2302
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,510
so walter this is great to see um we

2303
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,440
we're just at the we've we've already

2304
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:07,040
increased you to the world and we're

2305
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:08,560
where are we we're in we've just left

2306
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:10,400
guatevita the remember the moisture

2307
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:12,719
ritual we did yep

2308
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:15,600
that's right with walter you you oversaw

2309
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:18,000
the passing

2310
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,280
oversaw didn't have the rain

2311
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:23,840
directly get his hands dirty you know oh

2312
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:26,000
the pet oh yeah the fire brigade

2313
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:28,000
absolutely the fire brigade that's it

2314
01:25:31,910 --> 01:25:30,159
worked harder not harder brother we got

2315
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:31,920
it hey man you're right we did we got it

2316
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:34,000
done you are absolutely right but yeah

2317
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:36,239
like i said in that chat room um this

2318
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:37,920
was a uh

2319
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:40,000
it was it was it was crazy just to step

2320
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,120
back and just look at it from the

2321
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,880
perspective that i was at yeah you guys

2322
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,719
were doing more of the lifting but i

2323
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:46,480
looked at everybody and i just i just

2324
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:48,159
reflected a little bit and i said to

2325
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,520
myself

2326
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,320
this is it this is a community you don't

2327
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:54,480
have to have much you don't have to do

2328
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,960
much but really what you need to do

2329
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:58,480
is kind of do it to better do it

2330
01:26:00,709 --> 01:26:00,080
together i mean

2331
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:00,719
it's

2332
01:26:04,709 --> 01:26:02,639
it is a soulful community in my opinion

2333
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,719
it really was

2334
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:06,719
it was it got it was better when we were

2335
01:26:09,270 --> 01:26:08,000
all together you know let's be really

2336
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:09,280
honest here we live in this

2337
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:11,360
exceptionally touchy world when it comes

2338
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:13,360
to the color of our skin

2339
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,320
and

2340
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,719
for it to be further to be such

2341
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:18,800
a non-questioned

2342
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:21,440
human team working together with not a

2343
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,600
single thing between us no media no

2344
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:25,600
[\h__\h] narratives it was such a

2345
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,199
refreshing

2346
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:29,679
cleansing day to see that the

2347
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:32,000
differences we may perceive between us

2348
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,400
are completely taught to us by our media

2349
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:36,560
institutions it was beautiful that's

2350
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:41,510
i i think out of all that

2351
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,560
i'm i'm not a uh i'm not a social kind

2352
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:46,400
of guy i'm waiting

2353
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:49,600
i'm pretty closed you know but um that

2354
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:51,199
was probably the best that was probably

2355
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:53,120
the best the best time i had was just

2356
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,840
doing that little bit of work it just

2357
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:57,280
i guess it might have just kind of

2358
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,679
refurbed my re reconfirm my faith in

2359
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:01,760
humanity it's like hey we're still good

2360
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:03,280
we're still on track this will be all

2361
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,800
right

2362
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,480
and what was beautiful and what it

2363
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,000
really comes through in the film is you

2364
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:10,719
know lydia's in her 70s she came up she

2365
01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:12,880
climbed up that really steep hill to get

2366
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:14,239
there and she

2367
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:16,159
well the guys were all taken to dig out

2368
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:17,280
the well

2369
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:19,199
the woman have their own moon temple

2370
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,040
that the men are allowed nowhere near so

2371
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:23,920
lydia and 91 and nadi dos they went out

2372
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,840
and helped sweep out a moon temple and

2373
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:27,120
get it cleared for the woman's

2374
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,159
ceremonies as we were cleaning out the

2375
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,480
ditch with the males of the community

2376
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:34,800
and then we all came together for the

2377
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:37,280
ritual in the main sun temple

2378
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:38,880
and there was just this as you said

2379
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:40,639
water like do you not remember i was

2380
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:43,120
about an hour into the working of 20

2381
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,880
minutes into working

2382
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,560
and i panicked a little bit and got

2383
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,159
anxious because i thought

2384
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,639
this is completely off-piste this is not

2385
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:52,800
a plan this is not i don't you know this

2386
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,520
is all just happening as it happens

2387
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:57,520
so it's true documentary in a lot of

2388
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,199
ways because we're just documenting

2389
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:01,280
stuff that occurred as we got into

2390
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:03,920
situations and i'd let go then we didn't

2391
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:05,920
even put the camera on we just all got

2392
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,679
working and got mucky because it was

2393
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:09,920
beyond the film for quite a while you

2394
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,760
know yeah you know you know what

2395
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:14,480
actually um dan says something in the uh

2396
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,920
the rough cuts that i think vinnie's

2397
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,280
gonna show later

2398
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:19,280
that 100

2399
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:22,239
supports what you just said and that is

2400
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:24,080
a lot of this it's about the culture

2401
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:25,679
it's about their perspective and the

2402
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:27,840
phenomenon it's not i believe it was

2403
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:30,000
either dan or vinnie that said it's not

2404
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:31,760
so much

2405
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:33,920
right now what are the lights but how

2406
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,639
are people perceiving the lights what is

2407
01:28:40,870 --> 01:28:39,360
your interpretation of the lights

2408
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:40,880
we'll get to the facts the facts will

2409
01:28:45,189 --> 01:28:42,880
always reveal themselves in the end you

2410
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:45,199
everyone knows that but let's get let's

2411
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,719
let's get to the the background the

2412
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:49,120
culture the uh the history of all this

2413
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:50,320
stuff first

2414
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:52,080
that's right

2415
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,679
i think there's a great impetus just now

2416
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:55,360
you hear lots of people saying i want

2417
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:57,040
data data data data and that's

2418
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:59,360
absolutely called for however

2419
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:01,120
if you think you can strip the person

2420
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:03,920
out of the eyewitness your bananas

2421
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:04,880
your

2422
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:07,120
people's interpretation of what they see

2423
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:09,760
is as interesting as what it perhaps is

2424
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,320
that they are seeing

2425
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,880
that's really well said yeah totally

2426
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:16,480
well said water

2427
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:18,400
hey can we should we jump back into the

2428
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:19,840
photos because we're probably just

2429
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:21,760
entering that we're just just entering

2430
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:23,840
week two i'm just cautious of the time

2431
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:25,600
we're an hour and a half in

2432
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:26,800
so

2433
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:28,719
this is literally the team photo before

2434
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:31,920
we head up waika to the peak

2435
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,600
so i'll just kind of run through these

2436
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,920
as you want to talk about it but yeah we

2437
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:38,159
we were all kind of

2438
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:39,440
i mean

2439
01:29:45,030 --> 01:29:42,960
our meter there the the little dog um

2440
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,040
was probably the fittest of us all i

2441
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:46,880
would say just up and down and up and

2442
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:48,639
down and up and down and all of us had

2443
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:50,840
to kind of try and keep up with

2444
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:54,159
them almeida the name of the dog means

2445
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:56,960
so an alma is a soul so it's kind of oh

2446
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:02,229
there it is

2447
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:05,440
this is completely out of breath

2448
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,400
the air was so thin it was unbelievable

2449
01:30:13,990 --> 01:30:10,480
i mean i'm not the fittest dude but i'm

2450
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,000
certainly not the most unfit dude either

2451
01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:16,000
very few people make it up that high

2452
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:17,600
each year most people can't even come to

2453
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:19,120
bogota you know if you've had a stroke

2454
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:20,880
or a heart attack you can't live where

2455
01:30:25,590 --> 01:30:23,679
we filmed because the air is so thin

2456
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:25,600
yeah and it wasn't just pathways you

2457
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:27,280
know the work there was climbing as well

2458
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:29,600
it wasn't just a straightforward walk up

2459
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:31,760
a steep path or anything it was it was

2460
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:35,040
intense man well that's real vinny um

2461
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:38,320
the the times result like 12 inch to 12

2462
01:30:43,270 --> 01:30:40,560
inches wide a foot wide at best

2463
01:30:49,170 --> 01:30:45,830
well walter and i had 10 days

2464
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:49,180
of comparative knee injury analysis

2465
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,600
[Laughter]

2466
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:53,840
and getting old every night we were like

2467
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:55,199
look at the size of yours oh mine's a

2468
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:56,960
little bit hey dan just go back on that

2469
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,880
one before because like look at that you

2470
01:31:01,910 --> 01:31:00,480
know you had to climb up so many things

2471
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,920
yeah you literally had to climb up that

2472
01:31:05,750 --> 01:31:03,920
that was just the path wasn't it and you

2473
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,760
can still see on that that shot there

2474
01:31:07,990 --> 01:31:07,199
you can still see the background there's

2475
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:08,000
still

2476
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:10,080
there's no sky there's a lot of climbing

2477
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:12,400
to do and it was a bit of that a bit of

2478
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:14,719
rock a bit of pathway it was it was

2479
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,800
brutal so you're saying three hours

2480
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:18,320
let's put this in context because people

2481
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:19,840
are here in three hours to get up there

2482
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,080
so hang on it took you a day and a half

2483
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,960
to get to the andes to start with

2484
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,560
then it took us an hour to get to the

2485
01:31:30,229 --> 01:31:28,080
mountain it took us three hours to get

2486
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:30,239
out but let's bear in mind it's only 900

2487
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:32,800
meters a cent so it took us three hours

2488
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:36,000
to do 900 meters you're looking at an

2489
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:39,199
average incline of about 15 degrees

2490
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:40,800
that's hard

2491
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:43,280
yeah totally man it was intense there he

2492
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,400
is this was right on the tip of i have a

2493
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:48,560
thing basically i'm scared of heights

2494
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:50,480
and i know that when my brain is

2495
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:52,159
tripping out because of that that it's

2496
01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:55,440
just it's kind of rational so

2497
01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:57,760
behind me there is kind of a the sheer

2498
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:59,120
draft that vinnie was talking about

2499
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:00,880
earlier um

2500
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:02,960
and i'm kind of sat right on the peak

2501
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,120
and i was just letting my brain fritz

2502
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:07,199
out and kind of tell panic but no

2503
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:10,159
knowing that i was safe um there but it

2504
01:32:14,950 --> 01:32:12,239
turns out ashley that actually the point

2505
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:14,960
that i was set at or the mirador was was

2506
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:17,199
used for i mean there's a bit of history

2507
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:19,440
do you want to just tell us

2508
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:21,520
the first recorded legend that

2509
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:23,440
definitely comes from the late 17th

2510
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:26,080
century you see looking at

2511
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:28,880
sixteen sixties this was recorded that

2512
01:32:33,189 --> 01:32:30,960
when the conquistadors heminis casada

2513
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:33,199
turned up there in 1537

2514
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:36,320
him and 188 spanish knights drove the

2515
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:39,840
last 400 kazakhs tribal leaders of the

2516
01:32:45,830 --> 01:32:43,679
moiska to the top of la pena de weica

2517
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:45,840
in an effort to conceal the whereabouts

2518
01:32:50,709 --> 01:32:47,520
of their treasures known today as

2519
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:50,719
eldorado the last 400 moiskas threw

2520
01:32:54,550 --> 01:32:53,040
themselves off this rock

2521
01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:54,560
they committed suicide there and of

2522
01:32:58,229 --> 01:32:56,639
course the indigenous people of the

2523
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:58,239
valley today believe this light

2524
01:33:04,629 --> 01:33:00,719
phenomenon are the souls of the perished

2525
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:04,639
400 last monsters dan is sitting on that

2526
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:07,600
spot where the leap occurred

2527
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:09,440
yeah that was

2528
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,600
like i said there was a real kind of

2529
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:13,199
weight to these places i think i said to

2530
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:14,400
you at one point it felt like walking

2531
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:17,199
into a cathedral and

2532
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:18,960
hearing that that was the spot that i

2533
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:21,440
chose to say and you know there was

2534
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:22,800
while i was thinking about the history

2535
01:33:26,310 --> 01:33:24,960
and so on so forth it was a very potent

2536
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:26,320
moment for me

2537
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:29,360
i filmed you meditating on most hilltops

2538
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:31,040
and i was going to call you buddha but

2539
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:34,210
look at you let's call you buddhalight

2540
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:36,080
[Laughter]

2541
01:33:38,790 --> 01:33:37,520
so dan how are you still afraid of

2542
01:33:39,750 --> 01:33:38,800
heights or did you

2543
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:39,760
maybe

2544
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:41,840
or something there just curious

2545
01:33:45,990 --> 01:33:43,600
i'm still afraid of them but i

2546
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:46,000
understand it's a rational fear so i can

2547
01:33:48,709 --> 01:33:47,360
kind of play with it a little bit more

2548
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:48,719
um

2549
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:51,199
i love climbing i'm not such a fan of ab

2550
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:53,600
sailing but i'm fine doing either um

2551
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:55,679
coming back from colombia my my fear of

2552
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:57,600
heights might

2553
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:59,040
i'd get that uncomfortable during

2554
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:01,600
turbulence and now i seem fine so i

2555
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:02,960
don't know if it was that bumpy landing

2556
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:04,800
maybe but um

2557
01:34:08,390 --> 01:34:07,040
but i i certainly have learned to kind

2558
01:34:10,950 --> 01:34:08,400
of temper it over the years and i

2559
01:34:12,629 --> 01:34:10,960
recognize it for it is so yeah it's

2560
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:12,639
it's an interesting experience to feel

2561
01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:14,400
the mechanism kick in and my brain say

2562
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:16,400
you know just panic even when i'm safe

2563
01:34:21,669 --> 01:34:17,520
good

2564
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,679
experiences

2565
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:23,840
yeah yeah absolutely

2566
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:31,430
this was so i'm kind of talking through

2567
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:33,120
this but that's not why i'm showing you

2568
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:34,719
i just wanted you guys to kind of see

2569
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:42,390
it was it's stunning for you i mean

2570
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:44,159
i'm going to see that tomorrow guys it's

2571
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:45,600
bizarre being in the highlands of

2572
01:34:50,070 --> 01:34:47,440
scotland just now and knowing that this

2573
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:50,080
i'm going to see this in about 4 20 32

2574
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:51,440
hours

2575
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:52,960
one thing i want to point out is the

2576
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:54,880
thickness of the

2577
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:56,159
you know the trees and the bushes and

2578
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:58,080
everything you can see across there is

2579
01:35:02,390 --> 01:35:00,400
when these lights are seen

2580
01:35:04,629 --> 01:35:02,400
and and some people might explain them

2581
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:04,639
as hikers torches they would not shine

2582
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:06,560
through these kind of thick overgrowths

2583
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:07,520
and stuff

2584
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:08,800
i just wanted to put that out there

2585
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:10,080
because

2586
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:11,040
yeah

2587
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:13,280
really important point it is and that

2588
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:16,400
totally gets covered because

2589
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:17,760
you'd see flickers

2590
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:19,600
you know a hand torch would would would

2591
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:22,080
be you know a good torch might be okay

2592
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:23,520
this big

2593
01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:24,960
putting out a good light but these

2594
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:26,960
lights are seen that are like 50 foot in

2595
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:30,159
diameter that's right from the base of

2596
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:32,080
the light let alone the light they put

2597
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:34,080
out when it spreads out into the sky

2598
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:37,280
these are big bright strange

2599
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:39,360
lights that are seen on that mountain on

2600
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:41,040
the flat face

2601
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:43,679
where nobody can actually physically get

2602
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,560
to that's right this is underneath where

2603
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,719
the the moisture the 400 moisture that

2604
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:50,480
actually was talking about where they

2605
01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:52,239
committed suicide

2606
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:54,560
these lights are coming from below that

2607
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:56,560
where it's just a flat face that these

2608
01:36:01,030 --> 01:36:00,080
lights are emanating massively so

2609
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:01,040
you know

2610
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:03,040
to add a little texture i was just gonna

2611
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:06,480
say at the top there was um

2612
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:09,520
a little charcoal fire and

2613
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:10,800
people might know me for some of the out

2614
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:12,719
there i do but basically that i felt

2615
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:14,000
compelled to kind of grab a bit of

2616
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:16,639
charcoal and just drew while at the peak

2617
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:19,520
with the charcoal the peak um you can

2618
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:20,960
see the i'm not sure if you can see the

2619
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:23,600
mirror door on there but i gathered two

2620
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:25,360
flowers from either side of the valley

2621
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:26,880
as well and they're kind of flattened in

2622
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:27,920
in the

2623
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:29,840
bite there so yeah that was a cool

2624
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:31,520
experience for

2625
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:34,080
for me to feel that and to to capture

2626
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:37,040
that moment in that little picture there

2627
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,840
that's awesome it's fantastic to see all

2628
01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:41,280
these things again that we saw and

2629
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:43,280
experience see there's the this is

2630
01:36:47,229 --> 01:36:45,360
called a sub paramount plant when you

2631
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:47,239
get above

2632
01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:50,400
9100 feet there's such a dramatic change

2633
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:51,679
in the climate that you start getting

2634
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:53,760
these bizarre almost jurassic looking

2635
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:55,280
thorny plants

2636
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:57,040
and it because it's called the sub

2637
01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:59,199
paramount paramount becomes a completely

2638
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:00,800
different world but we were up there in

2639
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:02,800
the sub paramore

2640
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:04,880
you can see the change in vegetation as

2641
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:06,480
we climb higher up the mountain it's

2642
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:08,480
quite interesting for anybody that's

2643
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,800
into the natural world that's the thing

2644
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:12,719
with phenomenology

2645
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:15,040
we're not talking so much about

2646
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,119
little green fellas as much as we are

2647
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:19,520
about climatology geology

2648
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:22,560
light the change of light you know it's

2649
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:24,639
quite down to earth if you if i could

2650
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:27,280
use that term

2651
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:33,830
yeah definitely i i will play one video

2652
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:36,480
here just because this was the basically

2653
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:39,280
just gotten back down everyone kind of

2654
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:42,400
went to their rooms to kind of

2655
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:43,600
recover

2656
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:44,170
die

2657
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:45,920
[Laughter]

2658
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:48,080
and there was just this like lovely

2659
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:55,270
did you buy those flip-flops to match

2660
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:56,800
the chair of the chair to match the

2661
01:38:03,350 --> 01:37:58,400
flip-flops

2662
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:04,950
so it was just raining and i was just

2663
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:07,199
outside reading the book and it it so

2664
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,960
happened that exactly where i was was

2665
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:10,639
the only dry patch outside so i just

2666
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:12,400
kind of sat there as it rained around me

2667
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:13,119
and

2668
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:23,440
literally during this trip i went from

2669
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:26,639
sea level to about ten thousand feet um

2670
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:30,800
to see how my lungs were and whether

2671
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:32,560
whether i was fit or not and it was just

2672
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:34,400
yeah there was definitely a moment here

2673
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:35,920
for me where i was just considering how

2674
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:38,080
far vinnie and i had come literally

2675
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:45,669
that there represents the highest

2676
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,440
mountain in canada america which is the

2677
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:50,560
largest department in colombia it's the

2678
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,360
highest rise for 280 kilometers

2679
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,440
it does represent uh

2680
01:39:04,390 --> 01:38:58,159
the closest point to the gods in the

2681
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:05,189
yeah

2682
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:13,280
that was a good day a good you know the

2683
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:15,440
accomplishment i think i found it okay

2684
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:16,400
i'm going to skip what i was going to

2685
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:22,070
you're like yeah the profound mountain

2686
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:23,840
trip and then the pizza comes on and

2687
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:27,679
you're just like oh my god the pizza oh

2688
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:31,040
my god was insane hi there was some

2689
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:32,880
pretty good food

2690
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:34,960
well i was very advanced i was very

2691
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:37,040
adventurous i was very adventurous with

2692
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:39,280
the food we had a lot of

2693
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:41,360
locally cooked stuff but when when the

2694
01:39:46,709 --> 01:39:44,800
pizza came out i was smoked

2695
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:46,719
yeah you get a bit i don't know you guys

2696
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:48,480
are all into these colombian soups that

2697
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:50,080
i have issues with you know you get a

2698
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:52,159
soup and i'm looking for a cream of

2699
01:39:56,470 --> 01:39:54,639
chicken something safe and you'll find

2700
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:56,480
like half of an animal in your soup

2701
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:01,430
actually here's a good point here the

2702
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,199
gospel says i've read about a phenomena

2703
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:05,280
called earth lights which are similar to

2704
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:07,280
ball lightning but created by the

2705
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:09,199
pressure of tectonic plates is this a

2706
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:15,270
who's going to say yes first well it is

2707
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:16,480
of course it is

2708
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:19,119
absolutely it is but i i just point out

2709
01:40:22,709 --> 01:40:19,920
that

2710
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:22,719
the the idea of tectonic plates causing

2711
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:25,199
lights is a for debate whether that's

2712
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:27,520
what is causing these things um there's

2713
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:29,199
some ideas there's we're getting better

2714
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:30,960
video of it and we're kind of getting to

2715
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:33,199
a point where we might be able to start

2716
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:35,840
trying to understand it but certainly a

2717
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:37,600
correlation between

2718
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,159
between active tectonic plates and these

2719
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:42,080
lights doesn't necessarily ring true if

2720
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,760
you look at where these tectonic plates

2721
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:45,520
are but they're absolutely right to

2722
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,760
point out this phenomena because yeah it

2723
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:49,520
is it is similar um

2724
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:50,639
and

2725
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,800
the long dale valley

2726
01:40:58,149 --> 01:40:56,320
and they have similar ones but they also

2727
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:58,159
have uap reports so there's a lot of

2728
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:00,960
crossovers between these uh phenomena so

2729
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:02,800
yeah absolutely right to bring it up and

2730
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,480
maybe maybe

2731
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:06,480
maybe i'm gonna add a wee twist to that

2732
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:09,119
in addition to what dan just said is

2733
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,679
i think i'm safe to say this not because

2734
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:13,199
we're not i'm divulging it but because i

2735
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:15,760
think it's a correct conclusion is that

2736
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:17,920
if we some of these lights might be

2737
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,000
tectonic i truly believe we're looking

2738
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,239
at multiple light phenomena in our

2739
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:24,480
valley

2740
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,159
different sources different causes and

2741
01:41:30,149 --> 01:41:28,480
what the dangers is to call it

2742
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,159
the phenomenon

2743
01:41:33,669 --> 01:41:32,080
which suggests they're all one thing but

2744
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,679
i think we've discovered that

2745
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,679
phenomenology is much closer to the

2746
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:37,600
truth that there's maybe several things

2747
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,639
going on

2748
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:40,239
yeah

2749
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:42,719
where's julio

2750
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:44,960
okay who do you helped us out so much

2751
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,119
and he put vinnie and i stickers on his

2752
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:49,840
uh truck there which is very cool

2753
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,960
yeah

2754
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,800
lily is the local fixer guy he knows all

2755
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:54,400
the farmers the access routes to the

2756
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,760
mountains

2757
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:57,920
he knows everybody in the valley he's

2758
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:59,520
our safe guy

2759
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:01,040
i'm not sure you want to joke around too

2760
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:02,320
much with him

2761
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:04,080
either i think

2762
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,719
always the feeling that uh

2763
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,400
i always felt safe around him but it's

2764
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:09,679
one of these things where

2765
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,600
i think julio is there for you i don't

2766
01:42:15,270 --> 01:42:13,520
think anybody wants to mess with julio

2767
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:15,280
julio and they said this to me on the

2768
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:16,800
social network having the party dj

2769
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:18,880
disclosure was dropping them large

2770
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:20,000
everybody was

2771
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:21,600
everyone's having white and julia came

2772
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:22,880
up and he was getting organized for the

2773
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:24,560
next day and he went

2774
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:26,719
arms and i went like that boom brother

2775
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:28,480
and he went no arms do we need arms and

2776
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:30,130
i'm like no we don't need arms

2777
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:31,840
[Laughter]

2778
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,000
we need organization and forward

2779
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:36,400
thinking here the solution too quick is

2780
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:39,119
just let's get kitted up but you know

2781
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:40,960
that's why we felt safe because we

2782
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:43,280
didn't you didn't move that you're you

2783
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:49,430
pre-planning is what it's all about to

2784
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:51,760
be safe

2785
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:53,600
and here's the thing too is

2786
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,199
i knew that these gangs were robbers the

2787
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:56,880
bandits up the hill they go in packs of

2788
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:59,360
four and five and they look for easy

2789
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:01,199
victims to take their training shoes and

2790
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:03,520
their money if they see 15 people going

2791
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:06,800
up in a broken line it's too much 15

2792
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,040
people in a broken line so that us being

2793
01:43:13,510 --> 01:43:11,119
in a broken line

2794
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:13,520
was our was way more safe than having

2795
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,639
maybe two pistols on us you know yeah

2796
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,719
yeah don't bother don't bother with it

2797
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:20,400
in the first place let's be honest guys

2798
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,199
you know if you if you do you when

2799
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:25,199
when you have a gun if unless you

2800
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:27,520
absolutely know what you're doing it's

2801
01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:30,400
going to get used against you yep

2802
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:32,159
that's it so no we didn't go that's the

2803
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:33,840
way we've not got that kind of chaos

2804
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:36,000
where we are a bit of organization we're

2805
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:37,199
not on the west coast where all the

2806
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:38,560
trouble happens in colombia where all

2807
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:40,880
the narcos are exported it's like a

2808
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:43,280
thousand miles away so

2809
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:45,760
yeah arabic based danger was one of us

2810
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:47,760
breaking an ankle at the top and all of

2811
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,520
us having to get them back down that's

2812
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:51,920
the truth you know actually that's good

2813
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:53,360
you say that because i think a lot of

2814
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:54,960
people have just that misconception

2815
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:56,239
about colombia

2816
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:57,360
yeah

2817
01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:58,960
look at us

2818
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:01,040
it's just amazing

2819
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:02,639
look at me hanging out the window

2820
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:05,119
filming you there

2821
01:44:08,710 --> 01:44:07,119
i cannot begin to describe the

2822
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:08,720
discomfort on my ass yeah

2823
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:10,960
[Laughter]

2824
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:12,400
that right there was breaking my knees

2825
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:13,810
more than hiking up that mountain

2826
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:15,760
[Laughter]

2827
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:17,040
blowing around

2828
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,400
see different guys in the back of the

2829
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,320
truck there's a scene i can't use here's

2830
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:22,320
what happens you're all flying along in

2831
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:24,239
this truck and this the dust's blowing

2832
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:26,159
in the camera it all looks great and

2833
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:29,360
vinnie puts his hand out innocently to

2834
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,239
hit this red roses around the corner and

2835
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:34,400
as we turn the corner there's a cow and

2836
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:36,080
it looks like he slaps the cow in the

2837
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,719
ass even though he does

2838
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:40,800
i can't have dj disclosure done for

2839
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:43,280
animal abuse in episode two you know

2840
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:48,000
no i know i remember that

2841
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:50,560
there is the famous hoax photo

2842
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:52,800
oh yeah that's the hoax photo so that is

2843
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,400
the actual mountain that we were up the

2844
01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:56,320
pain of the waika and that is a a

2845
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,760
well-known

2846
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,840
image over there

2847
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:01,679
but i believe a lot of people believe it

2848
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:04,320
to be a true image am i right

2849
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:06,639
yeah it was presented by a designer and

2850
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:08,159
he's kind of went look well i've done a

2851
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:09,520
bit of art and everyone's like that

2852
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,960
ain't no work

2853
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:12,639
that was real and

2854
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:15,199
it exists today as like an iconic ufo

2855
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:17,199
photo from the valley quite clearly a

2856
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,520
hoax but it's yeah i'll be really honest

2857
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:21,119
with you you've been into films and

2858
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:22,800
visual stuff

2859
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:25,040
going into a restaurant and seen a meter

2860
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:27,280
by meter photo of a mountain with a ufo

2861
01:45:31,430 --> 01:45:29,520
above it i don't give a toss if it's

2862
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:31,440
made or hoax it's great to look at great

2863
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:34,719
fun right yeah it is in in that in that

2864
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:36,400
area in the whole

2865
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,440
valley potento tabio

2866
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:40,880
just

2867
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:48,239
thing to see and witness and hear

2868
01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:50,239
it's not taboo there's no stigma

2869
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:51,920
whatsoever it's just

2870
01:45:54,550 --> 01:45:53,280
the norm

2871
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:54,560
we actually

2872
01:45:58,229 --> 01:45:55,280
so

2873
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,239
we we actually did all of those pictures

2874
01:46:02,149 --> 01:46:00,320
you know the the fake ones and the

2875
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:02,159
obviously big ones and the paintings

2876
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:04,560
they created a conversation or generated

2877
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:05,600
a conversation that was really

2878
01:46:08,709 --> 01:46:06,880
interesting we were talking about what

2879
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:08,719
would make a good ufo picture and

2880
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:10,880
generally the more subtle the better but

2881
01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:12,560
yeah we all kind of sat around the table

2882
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:14,000
and said what worked and what didn't in

2883
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:15,840
the different photos for us and uh it

2884
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:18,719
was an interesting conversation um i i

2885
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:19,679
don't think i'd be able to trick

2886
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:22,080
everyone with a picture you can't trick

2887
01:46:27,590 --> 01:46:25,280
everyone all the time right um but this

2888
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:27,600
this was literally just a local taxi

2889
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:30,320
service um and we didn't get this taxi

2890
01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:33,040
service purposely it just came this was

2891
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:35,119
the one that came and

2892
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:37,679
there's that you know amazing

2893
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:41,520
uh ufo logo on the side there um

2894
01:46:44,709 --> 01:46:42,800
the mountain

2895
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:44,719
i mean if that's where it was we

2896
01:46:48,470 --> 01:46:46,480
if that was real we all would have been

2897
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:48,480
taken pretty much

2898
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:50,320
that means fairly wide

2899
01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:51,760
it's so funny that we keep we're all

2900
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:53,840
talking about the phenomenon and lights

2901
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,280
and tectonic light and look what

2902
01:47:01,109 --> 01:46:57,760
everybody local thinks it's so blatantly

2903
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:01,119
it's just big ufos

2904
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:03,679
they think it's no big deal

2905
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:05,679
yeah it's just like normal it's everyday

2906
01:47:11,669 --> 01:47:08,159
life yeah exactly not not a big deal but

2907
01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:13,910
here we go this is where we stayed hq we

2908
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,280
had our own chapel

2909
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:16,960
we had a little chapel

2910
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:18,320
yeah that was cool

2911
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:19,440
this was

2912
01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:23,119
there was a bedroom over here and this

2913
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:25,360
is where i stayed um

2914
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:26,800
and it was quite good because it meant

2915
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:28,320
when i stayed up late i didn't disturb

2916
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,639
everybody which was nice

2917
01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:33,199
they said louis said we should interview

2918
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:35,440
a priest all we need to do is speak to

2919
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:38,159
dan and as we church there you know

2920
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:45,109
again these all of these properties you

2921
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:47,119
can see are all aligned on this sacred

2922
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:49,040
mountain la pena it's the center of

2923
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:50,880
everything oh there you go

2924
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:53,920
wonderful place ash a wonderful home

2925
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:56,239
thank you

2926
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:58,159
i bet you don't mind so for everyone

2927
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:00,800
this is ashley's home that he built

2928
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:02,960
that is absolutely it's literally a slap

2929
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:05,840
bang directly in front of

2930
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:09,360
the mountain so you imagine on that that

2931
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:10,960
you can almost see it reflected actually

2932
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:13,600
in there yeah under there

2933
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:15,440
you absolutely can and then it's aligned

2934
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:17,520
so that on the equinox each year when

2935
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:20,800
the sun sets directly behind waka we're

2936
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:23,440
directly east so all of the shadows in

2937
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:24,800
our house come into alignment on the

2938
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:27,600
21st march 21st of september

2939
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,199
so it's

2940
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:31,520
absolutely keyed in to the

2941
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,080
important indigenous alignments that all

2942
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:36,560
of the temples were um following so yeah

2943
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:38,800
it's quite a special

2944
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:41,440
home to live in completely integrated

2945
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:44,080
with the mountain it's like a uap watch

2946
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:55,109
the moon goddess

2947
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:56,550
anyway move on from my house before i

2948
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,639
get stalkers at the gate

2949
01:49:02,390 --> 01:49:00,400
oh yeah they've already figured out

2950
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:02,400
where you live we've got the biggest one

2951
01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:03,679
we've got the biggest one in the chat

2952
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,679
tonight you just joined us look at that

2953
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:07,360
walter stalks me he's been in colombia

2954
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:13,669
i tell you i don't know

2955
01:49:17,669 --> 01:49:15,440
interestingly though let's be honest

2956
01:49:20,229 --> 01:49:17,679
that was your first trip studying uep we

2957
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:20,239
do archaeology stuff oh check it out

2958
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:22,000
this is the haircut

2959
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:23,440
there you go

2960
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:25,199
i felt like i had to i had to fit in

2961
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:27,280
with the locals because they were like

2962
01:49:31,589 --> 01:49:29,760
jazzy hairstyles so

2963
01:49:32,430 --> 01:49:31,599
i literally on a whim just went in

2964
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:32,440
didn't know

2965
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:33,920
[Laughter]

2966
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:35,760
double trams and a feed

2967
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:38,400
come on yeah man

2968
01:49:46,709 --> 01:49:45,030
fresh it was so hard for me because

2969
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:46,719
yeah indeed you're meant to have

2970
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:48,320
consistency in your clothes and your

2971
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:50,080
hair when you're filming and you did a

2972
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:52,239
dive into a local barber and screwed my

2973
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:55,040
consistency

2974
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:57,360
guys lydia's got to go lydia thank you

2975
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:59,040
so much for joining us tonight we missed

2976
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:00,960
you

2977
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:07,119
very soon remember everybody next year

2978
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,840
oh yeah it's lovely to see you lydia

2979
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:11,440
well well not to see you i guess lady

2980
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:13,679
here isn't here but thank you lydia we

2981
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:21,830
we're coming to the end we're coming to

2982
01:50:26,790 --> 01:50:23,760
the end we

2983
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:26,800
and an end um of a great thing i'm so

2984
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:28,639
happy to see all this it brings up live

2985
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:33,830
it just makes me want to go back and i

2986
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:38,390
what's going to happen

2987
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:41,360
oh it is february 20 23 look at that

2988
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:43,360
guys guys we should let's go back to the

2989
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,840
first to me i just

2990
01:50:51,030 --> 01:50:47,760
i'm so

2991
01:50:53,189 --> 01:50:51,040
i'm just got so much not anxiety but

2992
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:53,199
excitement genuine excitement to show

2993
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:56,880
what we did with everybody it's just

2994
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:58,880
it's so original we don't use one piece

2995
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,679
of archive footage there's nothing from

2996
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:03,760
that you'll see in another ufo show

2997
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:06,080
everything is unseen here's something

2998
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:08,719
i'm really proud of in the first episode

2999
01:51:13,350 --> 01:51:11,040
it's 30 minutes long

3000
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:13,360
i have been able to do the whole episode

3001
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:14,239
with

3002
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:17,520
35 seconds of my voiceover

3003
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:18,880
at the end

3004
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:21,360
everything else comes from you guys in

3005
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:22,320
scene

3006
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:25,040
without any voice over to fudger to link

3007
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,880
the story because we missed it

3008
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:29,360
it's just really good we are proud of it

3009
01:51:34,149 --> 01:51:32,159
as a documentary

3010
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:34,159
hi i can send the volume down on these i

3011
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:35,760
was just getting my photos

3012
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:36,800
behind

3013
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:45,990
i

3014
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:49,040
really should have been born of the 63

3015
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:50,560
yeah right i was born in the wrong year

3016
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:58,870
it was it kind of vibrated your hand as

3017
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,639
you were doing it so you kind of came

3018
01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:02,480
away with it wasn't pins and needles but

3019
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:04,080
it was certainly a tingling on your hand

3020
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:05,840
you know could you could you stop the

3021
01:52:08,930 --> 01:52:07,840
video before the blue arb rises into

3022
01:52:13,030 --> 01:52:08,940
your hand

3023
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,470
here you go

3024
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:18,709
hey there yo yoni says

3025
01:52:22,270 --> 01:52:20,639
my cat just came running towards me as

3026
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:22,280
soon as this started playing that's

3027
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:26,000
crazy that's awesome

3028
01:52:30,070 --> 01:52:28,480
when dan drives through wales like

3029
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:30,080
people are what girls are watching the

3030
01:52:32,210 --> 01:52:31,599
tv and they get sucked out of the window

3031
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:32,220
and stick on

3032
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:33,920
[Laughter]

3033
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,589
that's great

3034
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:41,199
this i love this picture this this was

3035
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:42,960
hanging in your window shirt what's in

3036
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:46,000
the sky there is that the sun yeah um

3037
01:52:56,390 --> 01:52:53,189
a special night for many reasons um it

3038
01:52:58,149 --> 01:52:56,400
was cool i i went after

3039
01:53:00,310 --> 01:52:58,159
partaking a ceremony that i may talk

3040
01:53:02,149 --> 01:53:00,320
about in the future um and you and

3041
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:02,159
vinnie did did some mountain watching i

3042
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:03,599
think everyone had gone home by this

3043
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:05,760
point right except all

3044
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:07,520
yeah all the best of the people i

3045
01:53:11,830 --> 01:53:08,800
mentioned

3046
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:11,840
yeah i'm saying nothing i'm saying

3047
01:53:21,270 --> 01:53:17,750
there you go

3048
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:22,390
coffee

3049
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:25,040
is last video

3050
01:53:28,149 --> 01:53:27,119
yeah this was our last picture here

3051
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:28,159
oh

3052
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:30,000
together

3053
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:32,320
um

3054
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:34,000
guys do you think we should do one of

3055
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:36,239
these brilliant youtube lives on the

3056
01:53:41,109 --> 01:53:38,800
phenomenology channel maybe

3057
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:41,119
during the show coming out so i thought

3058
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:43,119
we were doing a little thing after each

3059
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,920
one

3060
01:53:47,270 --> 01:53:45,360
i think i would love to but what i'm

3061
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:47,280
thinking is to drive to try and get more

3062
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,599
subscribers in the phone

3063
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:51,119
we could do there and discuss the

3064
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:52,639
episodes you know what happened last

3065
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:54,320
week or do you think yeah what happened

3066
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:55,599
last week that would be the best way to

3067
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:56,480
do it

3068
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:57,840
i totally didn't realize this lady

3069
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,280
behind me was looking at what i was

3070
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:01,280
doing wow look at her too she's having a

3071
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:04,159
real gawk right there yeah right just

3072
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:05,679
like the whole time

3073
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,280
it was only after i was like oh my god

3074
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:11,840
she's actually so entrenched in her call

3075
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:13,920
she's oh look at the uap hat

3076
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:15,679
yeah

3077
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:17,520
that's pretty cool man i had to sit on

3078
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:19,119
my own for like i don't know how many

3079
01:54:24,149 --> 01:54:20,800
hours

3080
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:24,159
we're not on my own but with strangers

3081
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:25,440
it's different when you're used to

3082
01:54:29,030 --> 01:54:28,080
traveling with someone and listen before

3083
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:29,040
we

3084
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:32,000
do the last bit of conversation and

3085
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:34,320
and finish i'm gonna play the the rough

3086
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:37,920
cuts video for everyone

3087
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,679
i'm just gonna go i'm gonna go and spend

3088
01:54:44,790 --> 01:54:42,320
a penny i'll be back where's the end

3089
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:44,800
no worries let's

3090
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:48,400
play this for everybody

3091
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:50,639
i don't know what that was

3092
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:53,599
but looking at it here it was

3093
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:55,599
clear as a bell

3094
01:54:58,229 --> 01:54:57,040
when you speak to the people here

3095
01:55:00,390 --> 01:54:58,239
there's

3096
01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:00,400
a kind of preponderance of evidence and

3097
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:03,040
stories that really show beyond a doubt

3098
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:04,400
there's something strange up on that

3099
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:06,560
mountain and the thing that i saw it was

3100
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:09,360
like moving super fast you're from here

3101
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:10,960
do you still believe this light

3102
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:13,679
phenomenon exists as an unexplained

3103
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:15,520
entity i do

3104
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,560
i believe

3105
01:55:20,229 --> 01:55:18,639
a lot more mysterious things here but

3106
01:55:22,229 --> 01:55:20,239
then when you throw in a case involving

3107
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:22,239
a tic tac which is a bit more

3108
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:25,040
military based a bit more nuts and bolts

3109
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:27,280
then it just adds more weight to the the

3110
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:28,639
fact that there's so many different

3111
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:30,639
things happening here there were some

3112
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:32,560
lights flying around the top of the

3113
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:35,520
mountain and the the ufos or the strange

3114
01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:36,639
things

3115
01:55:40,470 --> 01:55:38,560
were flying and parking inside the

3116
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:40,480
archaeologist in ten ho showed us the

3117
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:42,719
moon stone which it reflects moonlight

3118
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:45,040
causing some sort of orb or some sort of

3119
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:47,199
reflection

3120
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:49,520
it's getting more and more mysterious

3121
01:55:55,109 --> 01:55:52,239
i think those two lights coming together

3122
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:55,119
forming a greater fight might then

3123
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:58,080
possibly interact with that

3124
01:56:01,750 --> 01:55:59,520
magnetically

3125
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:01,760
we have technology today

3126
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:05,520
to figure out what all this is and

3127
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:08,000
instead of accepting

3128
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:10,080
that it's religious or spiritual or

3129
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:11,440
something like that

3130
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:13,840
go in and get empirical data and derive

3131
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:15,840
your conclusion from that the lights on

3132
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:17,599
the mountain are the only thing that

3133
01:56:22,550 --> 01:56:20,400
science will quantify right but

3134
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:22,560
the the witness testimony in the history

3135
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:25,040
is so important to them

3136
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:27,360
and how that phenomena is viewed that

3137
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:29,520
you can't really separate them and

3138
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:31,760
hessdalen is similar in that regard it's

3139
01:56:35,350 --> 01:56:33,599
just the culture

3140
01:56:37,189 --> 01:56:35,360
what's happening here warren's bigger

3141
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:37,199
investigation with a lot more equipment

3142
01:56:40,390 --> 01:56:38,880
that's distance in place we've got

3143
01:56:42,709 --> 01:56:40,400
multiple lengths

3144
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:42,719
in here and we've got a week

3145
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:44,400
to get to those locations where the

3146
01:56:53,510 --> 01:56:45,840
lights are up to figure out what's going

3147
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:55,589
about a week and a half to go

3148
01:57:01,669 --> 01:56:59,360
yup that terrifies me

3149
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:01,679
all the audio's mastered

3150
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:04,639
gold mulder it ought to excite you

3151
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:08,239
yeah it does if i can see if i can see

3152
01:57:13,270 --> 01:57:10,800
past the fourth if i can get episode

3153
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:13,280
four in the bag and the week i go home i

3154
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:15,040
know then i'm work i'm three four weeks

3155
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:17,920
ahead which is safe

3156
01:57:21,350 --> 01:57:19,760
and i'm fine but um

3157
01:57:22,950 --> 01:57:21,360
here's the thing

3158
01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:22,960
there's a lot of judgment coming for all

3159
01:57:27,189 --> 01:57:25,280
of us and that doesn't make me anxious

3160
01:57:29,430 --> 01:57:27,199
it makes me feel quite intrepid we've

3161
01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:29,440
got lots of good and lots of bad coming

3162
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:30,800
as you said at the start there's going

3163
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:31,679
to be

3164
01:57:34,470 --> 01:57:33,040
a section of people that are going to

3165
01:57:36,070 --> 01:57:34,480
see

3166
01:57:37,910 --> 01:57:36,080
the first thing that someone tells us

3167
01:57:39,430 --> 01:57:37,920
about as drone it's going to be

3168
01:57:41,350 --> 01:57:39,440
automatic write-off and then we're going

3169
01:57:43,270 --> 01:57:41,360
to have the people that are going to

3170
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:43,280
be wholly convinced we're looking at

3171
01:57:46,950 --> 01:57:45,119
extraterrestrial beings here and i can't

3172
01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:46,960
wait to see what the flash of feedback

3173
01:57:49,589 --> 01:57:48,400
is because

3174
01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:49,599
that too

3175
01:57:53,750 --> 01:57:51,440
is a broadening up of our experiment

3176
01:57:54,870 --> 01:57:53,760
that's phenomenology what do people

3177
01:57:57,189 --> 01:57:54,880
think

3178
01:57:59,189 --> 01:57:57,199
is going on in that valley so

3179
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:59,199
so much coming guys it's gonna be like a

3180
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:00,800
tidal wave

3181
01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:03,119
yeah and that's and that's good i think

3182
01:58:05,270 --> 01:58:04,560
i think we're all ready for it honestly

3183
01:58:17,510 --> 01:58:05,280
i

3184
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:17,520
you've got on your team for me

3185
01:58:21,990 --> 01:58:20,159
but i am by no means by no means am i

3186
01:58:23,830 --> 01:58:22,000
below saying

3187
01:58:24,629 --> 01:58:23,840
well hell i don't know what that is in

3188
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:24,639
fact

3189
01:58:30,390 --> 01:58:26,960
bring it please please bring it

3190
01:58:32,470 --> 01:58:30,400
yeah but walter i i i found myself being

3191
01:58:34,229 --> 01:58:32,480
almost identical to you by the end of it

3192
01:58:37,270 --> 01:58:34,239
and i didn't expect that you know i was

3193
01:58:38,950 --> 01:58:37,280
expecting to be the uap ufo guy and i

3194
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:38,960
wasn't i was like

3195
01:58:43,430 --> 01:58:41,599
we you know i'm more excited for the

3196
01:58:46,149 --> 01:58:43,440
next stage where we can get sensor

3197
01:58:47,589 --> 01:58:46,159
systems and everything into place

3198
01:58:48,950 --> 01:58:47,599
i've got to be careful with my words

3199
01:58:51,270 --> 01:58:48,960
here because i don't want to spoil

3200
01:58:53,270 --> 01:58:51,280
anything but i'm excited for the next

3201
01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:53,280
stage of the investigation where census

3202
01:58:58,550 --> 01:58:55,760
systems can be put into play and

3203
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:58,560
we can maybe start getting some answers

3204
01:59:00,229 --> 01:58:59,440
yeah

3205
01:59:02,390 --> 01:59:00,239
maybe

3206
01:59:04,870 --> 01:59:02,400
i i never thought thought i'd say this

3207
01:59:10,550 --> 01:59:04,880
so so frequently but uh the older i get

3208
01:59:14,229 --> 01:59:12,870
and i'm not an open mind i don't like it

3209
01:59:16,629 --> 01:59:14,239
when people say keep an open mind

3210
01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:16,639
because if you keep the way i see it if

3211
01:59:20,229 --> 01:59:18,320
you keep an open mind

3212
01:59:22,550 --> 01:59:20,239
why the hell did actually get me why'd

3213
01:59:23,750 --> 01:59:22,560
he get you why do you get dan no there's

3214
01:59:26,149 --> 01:59:23,760
something

3215
01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:26,159
you know seriously there is you said in

3216
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:28,560
an interview although you said

3217
01:59:33,109 --> 01:59:30,560
if any one of these sightings turns out

3218
01:59:34,629 --> 01:59:33,119
to be a phantom 4 drone

3219
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:34,639
put it to the side

3220
01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:36,719
bring on the next mystery that's what

3221
01:59:41,030 --> 01:59:38,960
this is all about working through each

3222
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:41,040
one of these reports we've got taking it

3223
01:59:46,870 --> 01:59:45,119
to its nth degree and going interesting

3224
01:59:49,189 --> 01:59:46,880
or gone

3225
01:59:51,350 --> 01:59:49,199
absolutely work from the bottom up don't

3226
01:59:53,669 --> 01:59:51,360
start at the top ufos and then prove

3227
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:53,679
everything out you know start knock

3228
01:59:57,350 --> 01:59:55,280
everything off first and then if you're

3229
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:57,360
left with something still that you can't

3230
02:00:01,830 --> 01:59:59,920
explain then we're into the realm of the

3231
02:00:03,830 --> 02:00:01,840
anomalous and things like that but we

3232
02:00:06,629 --> 02:00:03,840
can't start at the top and work down we

3233
02:00:09,270 --> 02:00:06,639
have to go from the bottom up from the

3234
02:00:11,189 --> 02:00:09,280
let's cancel out drones let's cancel out

3235
02:00:12,709 --> 02:00:11,199
torches and hikers and all that kind of

3236
02:00:14,310 --> 02:00:12,719
normal stuff

3237
02:00:16,390 --> 02:00:14,320
i think that's the best way to do it you

3238
02:00:18,550 --> 02:00:16,400
know i mean it is you know i couldn't

3239
02:00:21,350 --> 02:00:18,560
agree more i don't know how many photos

3240
02:00:23,430 --> 02:00:21,360
i see or just videos of just lights in

3241
02:00:26,629 --> 02:00:23,440
the sky and i'll say did you did you

3242
02:00:28,709 --> 02:00:26,639
check the flight paths and people will

3243
02:00:30,229 --> 02:00:28,719
just get angry straight away and and

3244
02:00:31,430 --> 02:00:30,239
it's really frustrating because i you

3245
02:00:32,629 --> 02:00:31,440
know i never asked the question because

3246
02:00:34,550 --> 02:00:32,639
i'm judging i'm always asking the

3247
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:34,560
question because just on the off chance

3248
02:00:39,510 --> 02:00:37,599
that you're wrong check it you know um

3249
02:00:41,109 --> 02:00:39,520
we should be gathering all of the

3250
02:00:43,189 --> 02:00:41,119
different data points that we can

3251
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:43,199
whether it's you know human testimony

3252
02:00:48,229 --> 02:00:45,360
and also witness testimony or whether

3253
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:48,239
it's hard data like that um to come to a

3254
02:00:51,430 --> 02:00:49,840
solution because that's that's what

3255
02:00:54,550 --> 02:00:51,440
we're here for to solve these things you

3256
02:00:56,070 --> 02:00:54,560
know we all want the truth and and we've

3257
02:00:58,070 --> 02:00:56,080
just got to keep digging with it you you

3258
02:00:58,790 --> 02:00:58,080
can't just tap out at the first sign of

3259
02:01:00,390 --> 02:00:58,800
uh

3260
02:01:02,229 --> 02:01:00,400
of a bias

3261
02:01:05,270 --> 02:01:02,239
yeah absolutely and you know what on the

3262
02:01:08,390 --> 02:01:05,280
budget that we had which was zero

3263
02:01:10,149 --> 02:01:08,400
i think we did a [\h__\h] good job

3264
02:01:12,390 --> 02:01:10,159
and one of the things you'll never hear

3265
02:01:14,149 --> 02:01:12,400
like i because the biggest so

3266
02:01:16,550 --> 02:01:14,159
phenomenology was the philosophical

3267
02:01:18,310 --> 02:01:16,560
movement from the 19th century it's not

3268
02:01:19,990 --> 02:01:18,320
something i've come up with this was a

3269
02:01:22,709 --> 02:01:20,000
philosophical movement now

3270
02:01:25,750 --> 02:01:22,719
the biggest fear of a phenomenologist is

3271
02:01:27,750 --> 02:01:25,760
the word belief so never once did i ask

3272
02:01:30,229 --> 02:01:27,760
any of you what do you believe i asked

3273
02:01:32,709 --> 02:01:30,239
you what do you think you saw what did

3274
02:01:34,229 --> 02:01:32,719
you experience what did it look like

3275
02:01:35,830 --> 02:01:34,239
what did you and it's

3276
02:01:37,270 --> 02:01:35,840
never what did you believe because i

3277
02:01:38,629 --> 02:01:37,280
think there's seven and a half billion

3278
02:01:40,229 --> 02:01:38,639
people therefore there's seven and a

3279
02:01:41,990 --> 02:01:40,239
half billion beliefs i'll be really

3280
02:01:43,990 --> 02:01:42,000
honest i don't give a [\h__\h] what you guys

3281
02:01:46,629 --> 02:01:44,000
believe i want to know what you saw

3282
02:01:48,709 --> 02:01:46,639
that's that's our our kind of

3283
02:01:49,750 --> 02:01:48,719
our the tracks that we travel on we're

3284
02:01:52,390 --> 02:01:49,760
not going to

3285
02:01:54,470 --> 02:01:52,400
confuse people with egotists pounding

3286
02:01:56,709 --> 02:01:54,480
home their personal beliefs there's no

3287
02:01:58,709 --> 02:01:56,719
space for that phenomenology and i'm

3288
02:02:01,430 --> 02:01:58,719
over the moon about that

3289
02:02:03,430 --> 02:02:01,440
absolutely man absolutely well listen

3290
02:02:05,750 --> 02:02:03,440
guys we've just hit or just jumped over

3291
02:02:08,070 --> 02:02:05,760
the two-hour mark and i'm sure we could

3292
02:02:09,910 --> 02:02:08,080
just keep talking for ages but

3293
02:02:11,990 --> 02:02:09,920
i think what the best thing to do is

3294
02:02:13,350 --> 02:02:12,000
leave it at that for now we're a week

3295
02:02:15,189 --> 02:02:13,360
and a half away from the premiere of

3296
02:02:17,830 --> 02:02:15,199
episode one i think we should do this

3297
02:02:20,550 --> 02:02:17,840
kind of conversation after each episode

3298
02:02:22,149 --> 02:02:20,560
airs i'm certainly up for it and then

3299
02:02:24,790 --> 02:02:22,159
people yeah we really

3300
02:02:26,870 --> 02:02:24,800
see if maybe we can get uh you know

3301
02:02:29,830 --> 02:02:26,880
in uh yeah i'm not sure if we can get

3302
02:02:32,070 --> 02:02:29,840
josh on um you know lydia if she fancied

3303
02:02:33,750 --> 02:02:32,080
it and just get get get all those faces

3304
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:33,760
they were going to be on screen to

3305
02:02:38,070 --> 02:02:36,239
discuss i guess yeah

3306
02:02:38,870 --> 02:02:38,080
yeah i think that'd be really cool

3307
02:02:41,030 --> 02:02:38,880
yeah

3308
02:02:42,709 --> 02:02:41,040
so let's leave it at that um you guys

3309
02:02:44,470 --> 02:02:42,719
hang about there we'll say goodbye to

3310
02:02:47,350 --> 02:02:44,480
everybody and we'll have a little

3311
02:02:49,589 --> 02:02:47,360
debrief privately afterwards so

3312
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:49,599
for everyone watching i really hope you

3313
02:02:52,709 --> 02:02:51,360
enjoyed that it was so nice to go

3314
02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:52,719
through everything it makes me want to

3315
02:02:57,669 --> 02:02:54,480
go back so bad but i think we're going

3316
02:02:59,990 --> 02:02:57,679
to go back out early 2023

3317
02:03:02,229 --> 02:03:00,000
and continue the investigation project

3318
02:03:04,629 --> 02:03:02,239
wiker will continue

3319
02:03:07,030 --> 02:03:04,639
so for now guys um i'm going to be back

3320
02:03:09,189 --> 02:03:07,040
here on this channel well this saturday

3321
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:09,199
i have a premiere of my interview with

3322
02:03:13,430 --> 02:03:11,199
steph from uap experiences where she

3323
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:13,440
talks about her family sighting back in

3324
02:03:16,229 --> 02:03:14,400
the 80s

3325
02:03:18,550 --> 02:03:16,239
witnessed by herself her mother and her

3326
02:03:21,109 --> 02:03:18,560
sister of a black triangle that's going

3327
02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:21,119
to premiere this saturday and then on

3328
02:03:24,790 --> 02:03:23,520
monday the 25th dr david clarke is

3329
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:24,800
joining me again we're going to be

3330
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:25,840
talking about

3331
02:03:30,709 --> 02:03:28,880
some pilot experiences back in the 50s

3332
02:03:32,790 --> 02:03:30,719
i think it's yeah it's the 50s and we

3333
02:03:34,550 --> 02:03:32,800
actually have audio recording of

3334
02:03:36,709 --> 02:03:34,560
interviews that david did with the

3335
02:03:38,149 --> 02:03:36,719
pilots that have never been heard before

3336
02:03:39,750 --> 02:03:38,159
lots of other things coming up in the

3337
02:03:41,669 --> 02:03:39,760
weeks following i'm not going to bore

3338
02:03:44,149 --> 02:03:41,679
you with all that right now so for now

3339
02:03:45,910 --> 02:03:44,159
everyone thank you so much i really

3340
02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:45,920
appreciate you all being here and we

3341
02:03:49,589 --> 02:03:48,159
will see you soon take care

3342
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:49,599
goodbye

3343
02:03:53,669 --> 02:03:51,679
that is all for this week's show thank

3344
02:03:55,589 --> 02:03:53,679
you very much for listening please

3345
02:03:58,310 --> 02:03:55,599
remember to leave the podcast a review

3346
02:04:00,629 --> 02:03:58,320
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3347
02:04:02,550 --> 02:04:00,639
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3348
02:04:04,709 --> 02:04:02,560
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3349
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:04,719
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3350
02:04:08,709 --> 02:04:06,239
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3351
02:04:11,430 --> 02:04:08,719
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3352
02:04:13,669 --> 02:04:11,440
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3353
02:04:16,470 --> 02:04:13,679
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3354
02:04:19,669 --> 02:04:16,480
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3355
02:04:21,750 --> 02:04:19,679
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3356
02:04:24,890 --> 02:04:21,760
and again folks as always keep looking

3357
02:04:45,270 --> 02:04:24,900
up you never know what you might see

3358
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:51,940
is

3359
02:05:33,110 --> 02:05:30,990
[Music]

3360
02:05:40,240 --> 02:05:33,120
because that doesn't

3361
02:06:24,189 --> 02:05:51,480
[Music]

3362
02:06:24,199 --> 02:06:30,470
saucer food

3363
02:06:39,150 --> 02:06:32,310
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

3364
02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:53,030
[Music]

3365
02:07:19,189 --> 02:06:54,960
it's very smooth